^^provided you like skater punk

i hate that shit

It's like you haven't gotten to the point or recognizing the insignificance of personal taste when discussing musical styles.

^^you opined their earlier stuff wasn't an "atrocity"

i still stand by my statement that it is

of course, these are all just "opinions"

is there a general consensus on this board that "skater punk" is ok?

No, I pointed out that all you were doing was opining and I offered an example to the contrary. Are you capable of actually formulating any sort of objective comment towards any discussion or are we all just supposed to recognize your personal tastes as divine?

Someone said punk rock was an integral element to modern music. I agree. You don't (and that's fine) but all you did was go on to say 'something' needs to be said because punk music was responsible for a band you don't like. Can you specify what that 'something' is besides your personal tastes and a knee jerk reaction for a bit of praise from the perceived hive mind of this site?

^^I never said punk rock wasn't integral to modern music

i merely said punk rock needs to be blamed for creating stuff like Blink 182 or others of that ilk

or even just skater-punk in general

In response to the original OP: The world certainly needed Punk in the Late 70's, and this includes everyone who started a lot of what was to be called Alternative later on.

Thanks to Punk, there was an interest in DIY. True, some of the best known bands were on majors, but by the Late 70's, there was Rough Trade which sparked all of the others. Indie can thank Punk for that!

Thanks to Punk, there was an interest in alternative Political ideas.

Thanks to Punk, Synths were in demand enough for companies to make them more affordable when musicians wanting to play like Kraftwerk wanted to do their thing inspired by the Punk movement, but in a different way. This led to Synth Pop, but it also led to EBM and (more importantly) the more influential Electronic side of Industrial/Post Punk (Cabaret Voltaire, TG and plenty of others). Indie-wise, it also led to Mute Records. On the US side, early Devo was also a part of the early days of Punk as well.

And that's for starters, and these are all connected to Alternative in many ways. There was also the Punk/Metal Crossover that helped Metal gain back it's edge after being almost swamped with Hair Bands.

Plus, there's several legendary bands from Post Punk and Alternative that started out Punk that turned into a different kind of animal. If it were not for Punk, we may not have heard of Wire, who's influence on Post Punk is huge, or the Replacements just to name two.

Punk may have turned into something of a Fashion Over All happening media-wise (so is almost everything else if you look at it), but there are those who still hear the real deal and listen to bands new and classic.

I like blink-182. :(

What's my age again... what's my age again?!

My friggin theme song, completely seriously.

look, i generally like the British first wave

i even like the founding fathers - Ramones, Dead Boys, Dictators

and i love hardcore - the clean-living apathy

i cannae abide by skater-punk, what has Californian sun-drenched good times anything at all to do with the spirit of punk?

if clean-living means straight edge **** that. **** that with a d.ildo wrapped with barbed wire.

i love punk, but if by it's spirit you mean rebelling against and over throwing the system then meh. the world's ****ed and if punk rock was ever going to change anything you'd think it would've actually made progress in the 40, going on 50 years it's been around. perhaps i'm over analyzing it but californian sun-drenched good times represents an acknowledgement of that idea while retaining a love for punk rock energy. i should mention that i'm writing this all under the assumption that you're including pop-punk bands like lifetime and screeching weasel into 'cali sun good times', which is probably stupid.

Obviously you're someone who has never thrashed the **** out of some public property with a skateboard on a beautiful sunny day. I mean, today skateboarding is seen as pretty innoccuos, but there was a time when it was actually considered to be borderline subversive, And have you been to LA? It really is a ****hole. There's not as much sunshine making its way through the dense smog as you would think.

I don't know what you're considering skate punk. As far as my own leanings go, I would say 7 Seconds, DRI, Dag Nasty, Descendents, and Faction would be among my tops, and I consider them punk as hell.