Try telling that to them, not us.

Because those people - like Devo - actually get it.

What the majority of punks and the generations that came after the hippies failed to grasp is that cultural rebellion is marketable. It's a farce. You're expected to do it so that others can profit from it and the majority of people are playing right into the charade.

How some people still can't see Malcolm McLaren pulling this ruse right from the get go boggles me.

The skate punks got it. They worried about doing their own thing and didn't bother trying to change anyone else's unlike the majority of punk rockers. They didn't want to change the world, they just wanted bitching tunes while railing a staircase.

Devo are fun

while you may say what they're doing aren't subversive, deconstructing pop songs and iconic anthems ("Satisfaction") is pretty subversive to me, and it doesn't just need to be "rebellion"

look, i can dig "art-punk" - bands like Television taking the format of a popular song and completely rearranging it to something new, with no hint of rebellion

skate punk should just be called "skate pop" or something, cos there ain't anything "punk" about it, besides borrowing the 3-chord Keep It Simple, Stupid, aesthete

and my 2 cents on this marketability thing (this is getting to be a really drawn-out debate):-

it's the crass commercialisation of this skater punk craze that killed off the DIY of the thriving hardcore scene, with not a few bands jumping on the bandwagon for a quick stash

i had high hopes when the Epitaph imprints appeared (not skate punk) but that dwindled rather quickly

From the top...

What? That comment about rebellion is a paraphrase of one of Mark Mothersbaugh's most recognized quotes. Where did subversion come into play?

So?

Skate pop? Why? How does skate punk NOT embody the epitome of the punk rock ethos? They don't care what you think and will just continue to do what they like. How is that not punk?

Commercial popularity of independently made music killed DIY? Are you mental?

Sugar Ray? You're lighting up Blink and singing the praises of Sugar Ray? Sugar Ray is as pop as it gets, not skate, not punk, but POP. Horrible POP at that.

it was selling more than hardcore

that's all I meant to say

Floored is mostly hardcore skatepunk, except for Fly

they only became pop after Fly was a hit

wow....seriously our ideas of what "hardcore" is are VVVVVEEEERRRRYYYYY different :)

Not even sorta kinda. Even wiki describes the album as metal? LOL reggae, rap and pop. No mention of punk whatsoever. I think our definitions of skatepunk differ greatly, but thats the nature of music. When i think of skatepunk i think of Ill Repute/RKL/Descendents/ and even NOFX to a certain degree even though i find them quite weak.

JFA



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