Punk was Invented in the USA

~~MrMagic1234~~ · 07-31-2012, 12:40 AM

I have gotten into so many arguements with people about this and I don't understand why. It's like if you don't believe punk was invented in the UK when there's obvious reasons this is wrong you are comitting a sin.The Stooges, The Velvet Underground, Mc5, Death(not the the death metal band), New York Dolls, The Kingsmen and The Trashmen are all from the USA. Stooges and Mc5 had direct influences on UK bands. The Ramones were together before either The Sex Pistols or the Clash. US punk bands began forming in 74, UK bands didn't start til 76. I'm not even a patriotic person, I could give a **** about the USA, but I can't take that people won't admit punk didn't start in England.

LoathsomePete · 07-31-2012, 12:55 AM

Get into many debates with middle schoolers then?

joy_circumcision · 07-31-2012, 01:18 AM

You say Lady Gaga I say The Clash
You say Katy Perry I say The Ramones
You say Black Eyed Peas I say Sex Pistols
You say drop the bass I say drop Skrillex on his head!!!
97% of teens have gone to HIP HOP and POP Like this if your part of the 3% with TASTE

Also sorry but the political messages of the punk movement and not just the sonic/attitude influences did in fact come predominately from the UK sect. Their influence was sort of the catalyst for punk to come and though its quality is debatable you can't really overstate the singular nature of Never Mind the Bollocks in igniting the flame under dozens of young bands.

~~MrMagic1234~~ · 07-31-2012, 02:43 AM

"Also sorry but the political messages of the punk movement and not just the sonic/attitude influences did in fact come predominately from the UK sect. Their influence was sort of the catalyst for punk to come and though its quality is debatable you can't really overstate the singular nature of Never Mind the Bollocks in igniting the flame under dozens of young bands."

Okay so what? Never Mind the Bollocks would have never happened without the bands I just mentioned having come along in the states. The content of punk has nothing to do with who founded it. So maybe UK bands were the first to have a lot of (overbearing if you ask me) political tones in there version of punk. Does that disprove what I just said about USA actually beginning the punk movement? Nope

Howard the Duck · 07-31-2012, 06:51 AM

pretty much

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-31-2012, 10:13 AM

Punk wasn't invented it evolved and it didn't come into being as *punk* until the Sex pistols came along.

Whatever came before it or influenced it means sod all, Lydon was influenced by Hawkwind & Van Der Graff Generator. shall we call those proto punk bands too?

You're just retro-actively applying a label to when it didn't exist.

**Janszoon** · 07-31-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger ?

Punk wasn't invented it evolved and it didn't come into being as *punk* until the Sex pistols came along.

Whatever came before it or influenced it means sod all, Lydon was influenced by Hawkwind & Van Der Graff Generator. shall we call those proto punk bands too?

You're just retro-actively applying a label to when it didn't exist.

Actually, I believe the word was used before that to describe some of the CBGB bands, but you're right that no one in particular invented it. It was something that was bubbling up on both sides of the Atlantic at the same time. And considering how much the US and UK music scenes both influence each other, the evolution of punk was clearly a joint effort.

blastingas10 · 07-31-2012, 11:22 AM

Just because the word "punk" didn't exist until a certain point doesn't mean that "punk" music didnt exist before it, It was just called something else.

The same principle can be applied to anything.

Unknown Soldier · 07-31-2012, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastingas10

Just because the word "punk" didn't exist until a certain point doesn't mean that "punk" music didnt exist before it, It was just called something else.

The same principle can be applied to anything.

Well if that's the case, you can then apply that to nearly every musical genre out there and we'd be in an even bigger muddle than were already are. Punk started in 1976 and 1977 with the Ramones and the Sex Pistols etc, for the simple reason that all the aspects and characteristics that are associated with it, all came together at this time.

Burning Down · 07-31-2012, 03:50 PM

I'd go as far to say that The Who were pretty "punk" way before punk was popular, even back when they started. It was just called Mod then. A lot of bands that blew up on the punk scene in the mid to late 70's were influenced by The Who and their contemporaries. Maybe more UK bands (like the Jam), but probably some US bands as well.

07-31-2012, 12:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
~~MrMagic1234~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 20	Punk was Invented in the USA I have gotten into so many arguements with people about this and I don't understand why. It's like if you don't believe punk was invented in the UK when there's obvious reasons this is wrong you are comitting a sin.The Stooges, The Velvet Underground, Mc5, Death(not the the death metal band), New York Dolls, The Kingsmen and The Trashmen are all from the USA. Stooges and Mc5 had direct influences on UK bands. The Ramones were together before either The Sex Pistols or the Clash. US punk bands began forming in 74, UK bands didn't start til 76. I'm not even a patriotic person, I could give a **** about the USA, but I can't take that people won't admit punk didn't start in England.

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joy_circumcision Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 126	You say Lady Gaga I say The Clash You say Katy Perry I say The Ramones You say Black Eyed Peas I say Sex Pistols You say drop the bass I say drop Skrillex on his head!!! 97% of teens have gone to HIP HOP and POP Like this if your part of the 3% with TASTE Also sorry but the political messages of the punk movement and not just the sonic/attitude influences did in fact come predominately from the UK sect. Their influence was sort of the catalyst for punk to come and though its quality is debatable you can't really overstate the singular nature of Never Mind the Bollocks in igniting the flame under dozens of young bands. __________________ My Music Journal My RYM (My Pride and Joy)

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Punk wasn't invented it evolved and it didn't come into being as punk until the Sex pistols came along. Whatever came before it or influenced it means sod all, Lydon was influenced by Hawkwind & Van Der Graff Generator. shall we call those proto punk bands too? You're just retro-actively applying a label to when it didn't exist. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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07-31-2012, 02:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
~~MrMagic1234~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 20	"Also sorry but the political messages of the punk movement and not just the sonic/attitude influences did in fact come predominately from the UK sect. Their influence was sort of the catalyst for punk to come and though its quality is debatable you can't really overstate the singular nature of Never Mind the Bollocks in igniting the flame under dozens of young bands." Okay so what? Never Mind the Bollocks would have never happened without the bands I just mentioned having come along in the states. The content of punk has nothing to do with who founded it. So maybe UK bands were the first to have a lot of (overbearing if you ask me) political tones in there version of punk. Does that disprove what I just said about USA actually beginning the punk movement? Nope

07-31-2012, 11:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	Just because the word "punk" didn't exist until a certain point doesn't mean that "punk" music didnt exist before it, It was just called something else. The same principle can be applied to anything.

07-31-2012, 03:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
Burning Down The Music Guru. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Beyond the Wall Posts: 4,858	I'd go as far to say that The Who were pretty "punk" way before punk was popular, even back when they started. It was just called Mod then. A lot of bands that blew up on the punk scene in the mid to late 70's were influenced by The Who and their contemporaries. Maybe more UK bands (like the Jam), but probably some US bands as well.