Punk was Invented in the USA

steve0211 · 07-31-2012, 03:51 PM

As I see it, The Ramones, and (later) the Pistols, were among the first bands to be referred to as Punk rock groups. As already stated, the band with Johnny Ramone was aroiund a few years before the Johnny Rotten group.

Both Ramones and Pistols were influenced by other bands that more or less fit the mold of Punk rock music, but their precursors were not (and are still not) specifically called Punk rock groups.

Neapolitan · 07-31-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMagic1234

I have gotten into so many arguements with people about this and I don't understand why. It's like if you don't believe punk was invented in the UK when there's obvious reasons this is wrong you are comitting a sin.The Stooges, The Velvet Underground, Mc5, Death(not the the death metal band), New York Dolls, The Kingsmen and The Trashmen are all from the USA. Stooges and Mc5 had direct influences on UK bands. The Ramones were together before either The Sex Pistols or the Clash. US punk bands began forming in 74, UK bands didn't start til 76. I'm not even a patriotic person, I could give a **** about the USA, but I can't take that people won't admit punk didn't start in England.

It doesn't matter - let the sub-par bands fight it out too see whether it came from England or the US - because the best band came from Scotland.

**Janszoon** · 07-31-2012, 08:38 PM

"I always thought a punk was someone who took it up the ass."—William S. Burroughs

bob. · 08-01-2012, 06:22 AM

that is exactly what a punk is.....actually i seem to remember a documentary about CBGB's where an editor of "punk" magazine was in jail in upstate new york and was freaking out about the other prisoners finding out that he was involved in a mag called "punk"

so seriously

is it just me that really does not understand why people think The Velvet Underground have anything to do with punk rock?

i mean i love VU...and i love punk music (of all types....or at least most)...but i do not see the connection....not at least style wise

Howard the Duck · 08-01-2012, 06:39 AM

i'm so bored with the U.S.A.

Holerbot6000 · 08-01-2012, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bob.

is it just me that really does not understand why people think The Velvet Underground have anything to do with punk rock?

Maybe because VU were credited with inspiring lots of people to start bands of their own and I think this gets mixed up with the garage band craze of the 1960's, which was going full force a few years before VU existed, and which definitely had a huge influence on the punk ethos.

If I had to pick a Grand daddy of Punk bands from that particular era, I would go with the Monks and Black Monk Time. That was a band/abum that really did inspire a lot of garage bands to get started and I think the Punk attitude is very prevalent in that music.

I'm not claiming this is where punk started, just that this was a very important chapter in the overall evolution of punk and well worth investigating for interested individuals. Beware though. 60's garage rock is very greasy and highly addictive!!!

right-track · 08-01-2012, 02:58 PM

How many times do we have to endure this sad old claim?
Give the baby it's dummy and close this thread!

**Janszoon** · 08-01-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

How many times do we have to endure this sad old claim?

One hundred fifty-eight. We're almost there.

Screen13 · 08-01-2012, 04:05 PM

I say forget the debate.

Now for a little Music Writer History...

The words Punk Rock were used by Lenny Kaye for the sleeve notes of the original Nuggets collection back in 1972, a collection of the classic Garage Punk of the 60's, released on Elektra.

Critic Dave Marsh also used it in 1971 in a Creem Magazine article (I think Lester Bangs used it too).

Long before the Pistols, and a little before The Ramones entered the studio and The Stooges unleashed some RAW POWER.

Outside of the well-known prison term, Punk meant in the straight world "worthless to society," "rebellious to authority," "loud and annoying," and, yes, "outside of society."

The sounds of the angry youth of The Late 60's and Early 70's seen as outsiders and anti-establishment around the world set the stage for what is known as Punk.
Back when it was Rock and Roll with extra attitude.

Yeah, the Politics were important by the Late 70's, although you could say that The MC5 built part of the base back through '68-70, but it was the aggression and power that helped make the message effective.
US Garage Punk and The UK Mod scenes go together for the start of it all.

Forget this US/UK debate. It's overused and NEVER gets anywhere.
Punk: It's the voice of angry people around the world. Forget who was first and enjoy.

FRED HALE SR. · 08-01-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

The words Punk Rock were used by Lenny Kaye for the sleeve notes of the original Nuggets collection back in 1972, a collection of the classic Garage Punk of the 60's, released on Elektra.

Critic Dave Marsh also used it in 1971 in a Creem Magazine article (I think Lester Bangs used it too).

Long before the Pistols, and a little before The Ramones entered the studio and The Stooges unleashed some RAW POWER.

Yeah, the Politics were pretty important later on, although you could say that The MC5 built part of the base back through '68-70, but it was the aggression and power that helped make the message effective. Outside of the well-known prison term, Punk meant in the straight world "worthless to society," "rebellious to authority," "loud and annoying," and, yes, "outside of society."

US Garage Punk and The UK Speed-filled Mod scenes go together for the start of it all.

Forget this US/UK debate. It's the voice of angry people around the world. Forget who was first and enjoy.

Charlie Parker took a crap back in 1946 and said man thats punk rock. True story.

07-31-2012, 08:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
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bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	that is exactly what a punk is.....actually i seem to remember a documentary about CBGB's where an editor of "punk" magazine was in jail in upstate new york and was freaking out about the other prisoners finding out that he was involved in a mag called "punk" so seriously is it just me that really does not understand why people think The Velvet Underground have anything to do with punk rock? i mean i love VU...and i love punk music (of all types....or at least most)...but i do not see the connection....not at least style wise __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

08-01-2012, 04:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
Screen13 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,388	I say forget the debate. Now for a little Music Writer History... The words Punk Rock were used by Lenny Kaye for the sleeve notes of the original Nuggets collection back in 1972, a collection of the classic Garage Punk of the 60's, released on Elektra. Critic Dave Marsh also used it in 1971 in a Creem Magazine article (I think Lester Bangs used it too). Long before the Pistols, and a little before The Ramones entered the studio and The Stooges unleashed some RAW POWER. Outside of the well-known prison term, Punk meant in the straight world "worthless to society," "rebellious to authority," "loud and annoying," and, yes, "outside of society." The sounds of the angry youth of The Late 60's and Early 70's seen as outsiders and anti-establishment around the world set the stage for what is known as Punk. Back when it was Rock and Roll with extra attitude. Yeah, the Politics were important by the Late 70's, although you could say that The MC5 built part of the base back through '68-70, but it was the aggression and power that helped make the message effective. US Garage Punk and The UK Mod scenes go together for the start of it all. Forget this US/UK debate. It's overused and NEVER gets anywhere. Punk: It's the voice of angry people around the world. Forget who was first and enjoy. Last edited by Screen13; 08-01-2012 at 04:49 PM.

07-31-2012, 03:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
steve0211 Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Düsseldorf and Detroit Posts: 84	As I see it, The Ramones, and (later) the Pistols, were among the first bands to be referred to as Punk rock groups. As already stated, the band with Johnny Ramone was aroiund a few years before the Johnny Rotten group. Both Ramones and Pistols were influenced by other bands that more or less fit the mold of Punk rock music, but their precursors were not (and are still not) specifically called Punk rock groups.

08-01-2012, 02:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	How many times do we have to endure this sad old claim? Give the baby it's dummy and close this thread!