The great hardcore/punk countdown

William_the_Bloody · 04-20-2013, 08:27 AM

17. The Sex Pistols, Genre (Punk rock) London UK, era, 70's

The band that started it all. Never Mind the Bollocks is a brilliant one off album, but it also one that is driven by emotion rather than technical talent, which begs the question...could they have repeated the success of Bollocks? I have my doubts, I don't think either Steve or Paul would have been willing to take the band in the more experimental direction that Lydon took Public Image. Consequently, we probably would have had Bollocks take two, which may or may not of been as great, but at least we got one masterpiece. R.I.P. Sid Beverly

New York

Anarchy In The UK

Submission

The Batlord · 04-20-2013, 09:41 AM

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18. The Ramones ,Genre (Punk Rock) New York USA era, 70's, 80's

New York's finest, and next to the Sex Pistols probably the most important band to grace the stage of punk. The Ramones laid the musical blueprint for punk with their fast tempo guitar playing and short speedy songs. Unfortunately I often find their sound to be so simplistic, that the band's songs begins to wear on you.

I used to think the same thing. They were good for a few songs, then you wanted to move on to something else. Then I just had this moment while listening to the debut where they just clicked on all levels. It's not music you're really supposed to listen to. You're just supposed to let that primal groove take hold of you and unhook your brain. God I love the Ramones. I could pretty much listen to them all day.

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17. The Sex Pistols, Genre (Punk rock) London UK, era, 70's

could they have repeated the success of Bollocks? I have my doubts, I don't think either Steve or Paul would have been willing to take the band in the more experimental direction that Lydon took Public Image. Consequently, we probably would have had Bollocks take two, which may or may not of been as great, but at least we got one masterpiece. R.I.P. Sid Beverly

I definitely think the Pistols were a one off. Even if Glenn Matlock hadn't left, he and Lydon were just going in two completely different directions. Lydon wanted rock dead and Glenn just wanted to bring it back. It's what I love about them. You've got Johnny Rotten shouting like a maniac and just making nihilistic noise, but reigning him in and giving you a dose of sugar with the vinegar is Matlock's pop song writing. The thing that made the Pistols great was that tension between the two's styles and it couldn't have lasted any longer than it did.

William_the_Bloody · 04-21-2013, 05:47 PM

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I used to think the same thing. They were good for a few songs, then you wanted to move on to something else. Then I just had this moment while listening to the debut where they just clicked on all levels. It's not music you're really supposed to listen to. You're just supposed to let that primal groove take hold of you and unhook your brain. God I love the Ramones. I could pretty much listen to them all day.

Funny my friend feels the same way, I think The Ramones is something you either hook into or you don't, the groove hasn't taken over yet, but I concede that they composed some brilliant catchy songs.

William_the_Bloody · 04-21-2013, 06:02 PM

16. Body Count ,Genre (Crossover Thrash/Hardcore) California USA era, 90's

Rapper Ice T's Body Count ahead of the Pistols & Ramones, r u ****ed!?! Well...er no. I think that pound per pound, you could argue that the initial Body Count album is one of the most entertaining crossover thrash albums that has been released to date. In fact, I would go so far as to crown them crossover thrash kings here and now...but there is yet one better!

There Goes The Neighbourhood

Strippers

Momma's Gotta Die Tonight

RedStrokes · 04-21-2013, 11:02 PM

Gotta love the ramones, good picks for songs.

BastardofYoung · 04-22-2013, 12:08 AM

I wouldn't even put Body Count on my top 50 list of best Crossover albums, let alone tell someone it is one of the best with a straight face.

It is essentially just a Single for "Cop Killer" with 17 bonus tracks. But only if you have the original pressing, otherwise it is just trash. Even Cop Killer was a stupid song, only reason they are remembered is for the controversy surrounding the track. Otherwise they are forgettable and rather awful.

The Batlord · 04-22-2013, 09:33 AM

Body Count?

I've been entertained by their debut, but actually thinking that they're a good band without the novelty factor? No.

William_the_Bloody · 04-22-2013, 06:00 PM

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I wouldn't even put Body Count on my top 50 list of best Crossover albums, let alone tell someone it is one of the best with a straight face.

It is essentially just a Single for "Cop Killer" with 17 bonus tracks. But only if you have the original pressing, otherwise it is just trash. Even Cop Killer was a stupid song, only reason they are remembered is for the controversy surrounding the track. Otherwise they are forgettable and rather awful.

I will just say that I couldn't disagree more. The album itself is not a single for the song Cop Killer, Ice T eventually removed the track from the CD because he felt the controversy surrounding it was taking away from the whole record. There were three singles put out for the album as a whole, but only one became highly controversial, which was not Ice T's original intent, he was simply expressing his frusturation at the police brutality & harassment that plagued the Ghetto. I remember the fallout from the Rodney King episode and things were pretty tense.

As for the rest of the record, I think it's is a solid album filled with catchy classics like Momma's Gotta Die Tonight, Voodoo & Charles Heston's favourite, KKK Bitch, plus Ernie C is a good guitarist to boot. That is the beauty of music though, it's highly subjective...anyways disapproval noted if things get revamped, hopefully the next band makes up for it, cheers.

**Janszoon** · 04-22-2013, 06:07 PM

I feel like Body Count was one of those bands that were pretty cool in the moment but really didn't age well. I saw them at Lollapalooza in '91 and thought they were great, but when I went back and listened to their self-titled album well over a decade later I was shocked at how bad it was.

BastardofYoung · 04-22-2013, 06:07 PM

I still think that album, with or without Cop Killer is one of the most laughable Crossover albums ever released.

It is just so by the numbers. But to each their own.

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BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	I wouldn't even put Body Count on my top 50 list of best Crossover albums, let alone tell someone it is one of the best with a straight face. It is essentially just a Single for "Cop Killer" with 17 bonus tracks. But only if you have the original pressing, otherwise it is just trash. Even Cop Killer was a stupid song, only reason they are remembered is for the controversy surrounding the track. Otherwise they are forgettable and rather awful. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

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Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	I feel like Body Count was one of those bands that were pretty cool in the moment but really didn't age well. I saw them at Lollapalooza in '91 and thought they were great, but when I went back and listened to their self-titled album well over a decade later I was shocked at how bad it was. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

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BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	I still think that album, with or without Cop Killer is one of the most laughable Crossover albums ever released. It is just so by the numbers. But to each their own. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

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William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	17. The Sex Pistols, Genre (Punk rock) London UK, era, 70's The band that started it all. Never Mind the Bollocks is a brilliant one off album, but it also one that is driven by emotion rather than technical talent, which begs the question...could they have repeated the success of Bollocks? I have my doubts, I don't think either Steve or Paul would have been willing to take the band in the more experimental direction that Lydon took Public Image. Consequently, we probably would have had Bollocks take two, which may or may not of been as great, but at least we got one masterpiece. R.I.P. Sid Beverly New York Anarchy In The UK Submission

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William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	16. Body Count ,Genre (Crossover Thrash/Hardcore) California USA era, 90's Rapper Ice T's Body Count ahead of the Pistols & Ramones, r u ****ed!?! Well...er no. I think that pound per pound, you could argue that the initial Body Count album is one of the most entertaining crossover thrash albums that has been released to date. In fact, I would go so far as to crown them crossover thrash kings here and now...but there is yet one better! There Goes The Neighbourhood Strippers Momma's Gotta Die Tonight

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RedStrokes Groupie Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: California Posts: 23	Gotta love the ramones, good picks for songs.