I know embarrassing innit:p:

I recommend F*cked Up and Cerebal Ballzy,that's real punk!...This is coming from an old CBGB Hardcore Matinee alumni!

That begs the question can he even find Seattle on a map?

That's a pretty ****ed up way of going about things, seeing as these are intangible subjects.

Well, the Ramones liked jangly pop music and sniffed glue, that may have had just as much influence as dadaism. I'm still pretty adamant in the position that dadaism is not the only reason people opposed war/government. It could have played a part, but I don't think it's the only answer, especially since punks were pretty anti-intellect (i.e., they sniffed glue).

Pretentious may have been the wrong word, I just mean that it's a very intellectual field that punks don't seem like they would gravitate toward since they were so amateurish in so many aspects.



Every single one? I have a hard time believing that.

Indeed.

I hate Seattle because that's where grunge came from and that music robbed me of my gigs. It was either surrender to it or rebel against it. Well, in the true spirit of punk and (supposedly) grunge, I chose the latter. No regrets. I did the right thing. As for Detroit, I live here. I'm sitting in Detroit as I type this. We were a great city at one time. We are not anymore. We are past our prime. Our due date has expired. But the truth is, the entire Western world is Detroit. We are in our twilight.

Wow really? You can name everybody in every band even when you never listened to them?? Neither can I.

Well, he couldn't. I didn't hate Cobain, I hated the way morons fawned all over him like he was the greatest thing ever in music. He was a hack guitarist who wrote a few decent songs and had the sense to like the Meat Puppets. And he sparked an interest in Leadbelly and he deserves credit for that.

It sure did.

Had to play grunge if you wanted to get a seattle gig in the 90's? Queensryche, Kenny G, Nevermore, Burning Witch, Carissa's Wierd, Hovercraft, Land, The Mentors, Sanctuary, and dozens of other artists would beg to differ.

How do you know what the Ramones were influenced by? Especially if they were from New York, which is home to about every art movement since Paris lost the title of world's art capital. And yes, that's where many of the dadaists went when the Nazis took over. That's where abstract expressionism was born--from dadaists--and it gave birth to political art movements and organizations such as Up Against the Wall Motherf-uckers who were from New York and they were some truly radical bastards--not the nicest people in the world either (picture Hell's Angels as a bunch of street-artists)--but their influence in the counter-culture is inestimable. Now, you're in a punk band playing all the cool clubs in New York, you're going to meet up with some wild, crazy people. I sure did playing in and around Detroit but then this area is the home of the SDS and similar political groups that, again, had a major impact on the counter-culture. I wouldn't assume the Ramones didn't meet people like that, I could almost guarantee they did. I'm sure if I did, they did. Who knows what all influenced them?

Not to mention the aforementioned Forced Entry




The Accused



Sadhappy

And where are they now?

Queensryche - Continuing to make albums and tour the world.
Kenny G - 25th highest selling artist in America
Nevermore - After releasing a slew of nice and successful 2000's albums, went on hiatus in 2011, but only after touring heavily with great success.
Burning Witch - I guess you got me here, they were only around for 3 years, but members went on to form Sunn O))) and Khanate, 2 highly revered bands in the metal community.
Carissa's Wierd - After influencing countless bands and sparking more interest in a musical movement, broke up in 2003. Members formed Band of Horses.
Hovercraft - Cited as one of the most abrasive, non-commercial sounding bands ever to receive major label distribution for its albums. The group was largely well respected and well received by critics and developed a cult following.
Land - Probably the only band I mentioned that hasn't had a huge, longstanding effect on music. Oh well, they made some great stuff right at the same time grunge was going strong, and many people enjoyed it.
The Mentors - do you not know the Mentors?
Sanctuary - Jeff Loomis was in the band, so they spawned the aforementioned Nevermore, highly influential and well regarded in the thrash scene.

Only an idiot would tell you going whateverthe****x platinum makes success.