Mondo Bungle

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Mondo Bungle

Can you direct me to a post where I personally denied dada's influence on punk? Because I can't find any. You're saying I'm a hypocrite because I'm a punk fan who sported a dada avatar, and changed after you brought it up so it would seem like I'm denying that.

I just wanted a new avatar bro, I've had the Ernst one for two years.
It's a completely valid point that dada influenced punk, hell, I'm the most punk rock kid I know and I did a report on the roots of surrealism in seventh grade. Max Ernst is my all time favorite artist, and Tristan Tzara is one of my all time favorite poets. The latter happens to be the namesake of a punk band.

Dropping dada in a punk song:



Dig?

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Mondo Bungle

Ok ok ok. I think...I get it. Punk hasn't evolved since it's conception, is that your gripe? I believe so. On the surface, yes, it may seem like there has been no evolution in the scene. Well if we're talking musically, I could direct you to hundreds of bands that would beg to differ. But if punk changed it's ideology, it wouldn't be punk would it? What are you expecting in terms of evolution?

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GuD

all the kids, so satisfied to shut their eyes and shed their skins.

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I spit bullets in my feet
Every time I speak
So I write instead
And still people want me dead
~msc

bob.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents about mondo's avatar. ...I'd take an existential author over a Dada painter anyday

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A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism.

Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

Mondo Bungle

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Surell

Even if Gil-Scott denies it out of his own displeasure with the genre, the beginnings of Hip Hop, especially with Spoken Word and other forms of post-beat poetry (which may be an incorrect term but they share similarities to me), are pretty well traced to him. I'm sure many people in early Hip Hop saw the same people and places as Heron did, and shared a similar disdain, so the roots aren't that far off.

And you keep bringing up Kanye, but he wasn't at the beginning of Hip Hop, he didn't create it. He is a significant part of today's rap culture, for sure, but, as recent an invention as it is, it has evolved rapidly. It's not nearly as sample based as it was, but it's revised its own conceptions of dance and rhythm. Basically, it's beyond where it started in the popular sense, but that doesn't mean the roots aren't still there, and that some people put emphasis on them more than others.

Very interesting points about mass media. It's definitely a qualifier for much of today's popular music (Hip Hop not excluded), but still, the earliest form, which developed closely to Punk (literally and figuratively), doesn't fall entirely into that trap.

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Engine

Isn't life a blast? It's just like living in the past

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Like an arrow,
I was only passing through.

Lord Larehip

All that says to me is that it has lost touch with its origins. In that sense, rap too is dead. And with all the glorification of violence, pimping, pushing, killing and prison life it has preached to young black men, maybe that's a good thing.

Then rap better get back to that because I see it as responsible for a whole lost generation of blacks. Whites too but not as severely.

Surell

We're still talking about mainstream rap here, which is missing a great portion of the genre. Just check out that Dalek song I posted, or the band Death Grips, or Aesop Rock or countless other rap artists some fellow members could point you to.

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