What is your favorite punk band?

SuperPseudonym · 12-05-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexisonfire

Um...green day reffered to american idiot as a "punk rock opera"....i refuse to call that album punk..its not even pop punk.

Since they didn't say punk, they gave a genre that isn't really a very good example for anything, I think it would be a waste of time to ask what would be a better definition of "punk rock opera" but I will anyway.

Alright alex, what is a defining Punk Rock Opera CD, so we can all know what to expect from future opera punk rockers?

cardboard adolescent · 12-05-2005, 06:32 PM

Everything is opinion, since it all just belies perception, which is relative to the perceiver.

Since I don't want to argue that, I'll narrow it down to art- art is what you perceive it to be. Sorting musical groups in genres is something that was meant to be helpful in understanding what kind of music a group plays without having to hear them, but has often become a source of argument. Since each group is different, genres almost always rely on a "general sound" to tie the bands together, and while often that sound has no definition, it does have a connotation which many people relate it with.

Connotation, of course, is a matter of perception, and everyone perceives things differently, especially something like music. So, genres are dependent on opinion and opinions cannot be right or wrong because it relies on feelings, and everyone feels differently. I suppose we could say, if the majority of people feel this way, then that is right, and the minority is just stupid. But that is a dangerous mentality.

There are no absolutes, though some people become so enraptured with their own views that they misinterpret them as absolutes...

EDIT: Opinions cannot be wrong, only unsubstantiated.

sleepy jack · 12-05-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

Everything is opinion, since it all just belies perception, which is relative to the perceiver.

Since I don't want to argue that, I'll narrow it down to art- art is what you perceive it to be. Sorting musical groups in genres is something that was meant to be helpful in understanding what kind of music a group plays without having to hear them, but has often become a source of argument. Since each group is different, genres almost always rely on a "general sound" to tie the bands together, and while often that sound has no definition, it does have a connotation which many people relate it with.

Connotation, of course, is a matter of perception, and everyone perceives things differently, especially something like music. So, genres are dependent on opinion and opinions cannot be right or wrong because it relies on feelings, and everyone feels differently. I suppose we could say, if the majority of people feel this way, then that is right, and the minority is just stupid. But that is a dangerous mentality.

There are no absolutes, though some people become so enraptured with their own views that they misinterpret them as absolutes...

cardboard adolescent · 12-05-2005, 06:34 PM

For some reason I felt the need to make that post.

Carry on with the bickering.

sleepy jack · 12-05-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

For some reason I felt the need to make that post.

Carry on with the bickering.

There isn't a point to.
You said what i was trying to get acrossed.
and worded it better too.

SuperPseudonym · 12-05-2005, 08:11 PM

Alright. Well guys, I have to go to bed. So to throw us into an paradox before I go, so we can't finish:
My opinion is that what I said is fact.

Somebody is going to try to continue, but thats as far as this topic can ever go. goodnight.

EDIT:

Eh? "There are no absolutes, though some people become so enraptured with their own views that they misinterpret them as absolutes..."

That would contradict itself. That means what you said can't be absolute. goodnight again.

cardboard adolescent · 12-05-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPseudonym

Eh? "There are no absolutes, though some people become so enraptured with their own views that they misinterpret them as absolutes..."

That would contradict itself. That means what you said can't be absolute. goodnight again.

Of course not, it's just a view with which I have become enraptured.

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe · 12-05-2005, 10:40 PM

how does every thread in the punk forum become a "green day isnt punk" argument...?

someone please post something that isnt about green day being or not being punk. because this whole thing is getting to be quite annoying..

12-05-2005, 08:11 PM	#126 (permalink)
SuperPseudonym Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	Alright. Well guys, I have to go to bed. So to throw us into an paradox before I go, so we can't finish: My opinion is that what I said is fact. Somebody is going to try to continue, but thats as far as this topic can ever go. goodnight. EDIT: Eh? "There are no absolutes, though some people become so enraptured with their own views that they misinterpret them as absolutes..." That would contradict itself. That means what you said can't be absolute. goodnight again. __________________ There is a beast in man that needs to be excercised, not excorcised. -LaVey

12-05-2005, 06:32 PM	#122 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Everything is opinion, since it all just belies perception, which is relative to the perceiver. Since I don't want to argue that, I'll narrow it down to art- art is what you perceive it to be. Sorting musical groups in genres is something that was meant to be helpful in understanding what kind of music a group plays without having to hear them, but has often become a source of argument. Since each group is different, genres almost always rely on a "general sound" to tie the bands together, and while often that sound has no definition, it does have a connotation which many people relate it with. Connotation, of course, is a matter of perception, and everyone perceives things differently, especially something like music. So, genres are dependent on opinion and opinions cannot be right or wrong because it relies on feelings, and everyone feels differently. I suppose we could say, if the majority of people feel this way, then that is right, and the minority is just stupid. But that is a dangerous mentality. There are no absolutes, though some people become so enraptured with their own views that they misinterpret them as absolutes... EDIT: Opinions cannot be wrong, only unsubstantiated.

12-05-2005, 06:34 PM	#124 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	For some reason I felt the need to make that post. Carry on with the bickering.