The "What Does Punk and it's Idealogy Mean To You?" Thread
 

I asked a similar question a while ago on Y!A but we couldn't really get too in depth with talking about it due to the limitations of that website. One of the things I love most about punk is the community; and how everyone has very different views on what's punk and what's not. As well as how people are supposed to act and blah blah. My friends for example act considerably different than I, but we're all part of the same sub-culture. I'm wondering what opinions everyone on here has of this?

I think punk is about honesty. The music is more human, and no one cares how raw the production is or how many times the drumer messes up, most of the time in fact praising these qualities. The people tend not to lie about who they are, instead embracing their imperfections and just not giving a **** what people think about their clothes or demeanor. It's not about how good of a musician you are, it's about what you can accomplish WITH what little/much musicianship you have and the message you create. It's about having fun, while introducing new unorthodox values to the culture while doing so. That's punk to me.

Damn kids. Why don't they ever play any real songs?

Care to elaborate?

Punk isn't even music! Just a bunch of dumb children playing chords as ****ty as they can.

But what isn't music? Isn't all sound music by default?

Just kidding, I know you're jokin'.

Whiny *******s who actually think anyone gives a **** what kids in ****ty clothes have to say about anything.

Say what you want about Punk, but without it, where would Alternative be? Or Metal? Music needed Punk.

Nah. "Alternative" generally sucks so I'm not too worried about losing that. Metal derived more from rock than punk so I'm not sure what you're on about. If you call punk music, it's likely that you have zero knowledge of music theory.

He's joking dude he's a punk fan. I saw he was a fan of Drive Like Jehu and The Locusf earlier.

Thrash and Extreme metal on the other hand wouldn't be possible (or would sound very different) without the influence of Discharge and the Void.

It's possible that some styles of extreme metal would have developed on its own though. There are roots in jazz music that are heavier than any punk band that I've ever heard.



Blast beats circa 1968.

Also forgot to add that I don't really consider punk fashion to be too big a part of it, especially modern day. Fashion is conformity, and no matter how you look at it, Anti-fashion is still fashion. Going out of your way to dress up doesn't really amount to much, at least to me.

Yeah,That's all I'm saying. Without Punk, we wouldn't have Speed Metal, which means we wouldn't have Thrash.

Also, I didn't know if he was serious or not. Humor isn't always easy to see on the internet, easy to misinterpret and all.

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Jesus that's some scary Jazz. And in 1968 no less? I really need to get more into Jazz then, love that avant-garde stuff. I checked out your Wolves in Sheepskin thing and I'm really digging it. Might even buy it at some point.

Do you listen to Zu?

Free jazz/improvisation can be some of the most violent music you've ever heard, but also very sultry. Go ahead and download those records for free if you like, I'm not in it for the money. Also, yes, Zu is actually one of my favourite bands.

Back on topic, I think that punk's ideals have grown to be something of a cliche at this point with teenagers picking it up every generation. I don't think that it's a bad thing necessarily, but when a punk band sounds like 98% of the other punk bands in his area, it's hard for me not to laugh when they start to use words like "unorthodox".

When I think of Punk, I think of the simpler side of music. The side that's all about you and a few of your friends just meeting up and playing music. It's not all about trying to become the next big thing, or getting paid tons of money (though doing either of those doesn't automatically make you "not Punk," in my opinion). It's just about the music and the fun you have playing it.

You'd think punk culture would have resulted in music that is more chaotic and ****ed up than the sloppily played same-sounding pop songs punk actually usually is.

But there's no guitar, someone might say whinily.

1971.

I see your 1971 Takayanagi and raise you a 1969 Schoof.

That album is badass. La Grima is the earliest recording I could remember featuring really noisy, distorted guitar work.
But European Echoes exceeds it in sheer heaviness. And there's Derek Bailey somewhere in there.

Yup, Bailey's got a righteous solo that's pretty clear in the beginning but he gets lost in the madness like everyone else does.

I kinda meant "unorthodox" more along the lines of emracing taboo subjects. How relevant that is in today's punk is questionable though.

The majority of the punk I listen to is post-hardcore though. Not a lot of generic bands there.

Also very true

This discussion is so ****ing boring. Just play songs and have fun.

Whatever dude

I mean yeah, it didn't turn out exactly how I wanted it to.

It's fine though we covered interesting topics enough.

Punk is old and dead, it's philosophy belongs in the graveyard with the genre.

I was a skatepunk when I was younger listening to Black Flag ect, but it's time has long passed, kids today have their own stuff. Let punk RIP

Now you're a boardpunk?

I was a punk but now I'm not therefore everyone who thinks they're a punk is now not.


For seers though you people ****ing depress me.

lol, no now I'm an old man....well er I like to think of it as middle age.

no age
no age
no age

Was never a punk, but I'd like to think there was an age cutoff for being one. If being a punk was just someone who listened to punk, then it wouldn't be an issue, but you can't just say you're a punk at the age of 40 without using a caveat that you like the music but don't wear a mohawk.

Lol, I don't deny the right of young teenagers today to do the punk thing if they want to, but I kind of see it as tapping into nostalgia.

Culture is completely different than it was 30 years ago, & musical genres come and go.

I think of punk music as simple, loud, sloppy, and rebellious. Kinda like Holden Caulfield eating Mexican food.

I don't really care about any genre's ideology or culture.

If that was true then the Rolling Stones first albums, early 80s black metal, and god knows what else would be punk. Punk is a cookie cutter fashion statement for kids who want to piss off their parents that stopped being relevant sometime in the 70s/80s.

I guess that's why I've never really understood the distinction between punk and, say, garage rock.

The only distinction, soundwise, was that one was made a decade earlier, and is therefore louder and faster.

I got a better question

Why did punk give middle class white boys the idea that they didn't need to shower ever

Why?