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**Frownland** · 01-26-2018, 01:06 PM

Nah. There are definitely some that began as or became marketing terms, but subgenres are usually coined by music nerds themselves.

Maajo · 01-26-2018, 01:12 PM

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Nah. There are definitely some that began as or became marketing terms, but subgenres are usually coined by music nerds themselves.

They're not very descriptive and the marketing departments of record labels always end up getting behind them, regardless of who coined them. I just don't really care about the sub-genre labeling system because there's so much overlapping that it's not very practical. There are so many different genres within metal, which isn't very distinct from rock or punk to begin with, that people are just making them up now to describe their band because it's become satirical to do so.

**Frownland** · 01-26-2018, 01:16 PM

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They're not very descriptive

This is where I stopped reading. Subgenres make it easier to communicate elements of music for discussions and exploration, even if people do go over the top and coin genres that only apply to one band or apply to too many bands to meaningful. I'm very much pro subgenre.

Maajo · 01-26-2018, 01:21 PM

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Subgenres make it easier to communicate elements of music.

They literally communicate a brand or a style, and that's pretty much the extent of it. You can communicate elements of music in ways that are more descriptive, and you won't end up limiting your results to terms like "psychedelic".

**Frownland** · 01-26-2018, 01:26 PM

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They literally communicate a brand or a style, and that's pretty much the extent of it. You can communicate elements of music in ways that are more descriptive,

No ****. Doesn't devalue subgenres.

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and you won't end up limiting your results to terms like "psychedelic".

Then you can go for more esoteric psychedelic genres like krautrock, zolo, or molam. It seems like this point actually goes with my pro-subgenre stance more than yours.

**Frownland** · 01-26-2018, 02:40 PM

You seem to define subgenres exclusively as marketing terms. That's very wrong. Glad to help mate.

Maajo · 01-26-2018, 02:46 PM

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You seem to define subgenres exclusively as marketing terms. That's very wrong. Glad to help mate.

I said that they're more or less just marketing terms, bruh. I know it's a subtle difference, but it's a big difference.

**Frownland** · 01-26-2018, 02:48 PM

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I said that they're more or less just marketing terms, bruh. I know it's a subtle difference, but it's a big difference.

You're reducing subgenres to marketing terms, whatever.

Maajo · 01-26-2018, 03:29 PM

Isn't that basically what Led Zeppelin, kings of the Chula Rock sub-genre, is? Just straight forward rock with no BS? I guess, they had their share of frills, especially from Led Zeppelin IV onward. Maybe not so much in the former spirit of every song being 3 minutes or less.

**Janszoon** · 01-27-2018, 09:39 AM

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Isn't that basically what Led Zeppelin, kings of the Chula Rock sub-genre, is? Just straight forward rock with no BS? I guess, they had their share of frills, especially from Led Zeppelin IV onward. Maybe not so much in the former spirit of every song being 3 minutes or less.

Led Zeppelin had plenty of BS.

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