I'm not a huge fan of either. I voted Biggie though because he was okay while Tupac flat out sucked.

Tupac, is too hard at some times, while Biggie is easy going all the time.

I would have to go with Biggie over 2Pac anyday...

you can't decide between the 2 different rap style . Well i like biggie to chill out and because he was easy goin man but if its for some serious rap 2pac is on the top

I'm no rap expert, and I've only heard a limited number of songs from either of these guys, but I personally like Tupac more. Biggie seemed more like some sort of gangsta novelty bling rap (yeah, I'm not sure what it means either), good when you want to get down at a club but not really for normal listening (not for me anyway). Tupac is just easier to listen to and has better flow.

Although I'm not black, I grew up with not much money. I felt like Biggie told stories better, like he knew what life in the ghetto was like. Tupac seemed to exaggerate police brutality and white people hating black people etc etc. Tupac was like a preacher but a hypocrite. Talking about change and stopping the violence when on another song he would brag about killing. And I highly doubt Tupac has killed or would've killed somebody. Rappers (unless you're DMX, Ol' Dirty Bastard, or the old Snoop Dogg) pretty much seem to be all talk.

I like Biggie more, but I do like Tupac.

Didn't Biggie only put out 2 records and then he was murdered by a coward?

What Biggie have you been listening to? Tales about violence, HIV, selling crack, and self doubt aren't exactly the things that get people dancing.

Yeah, really only the radio play stuff. Same with Tupac. Like I said, I'm not expert.

Perhaps you can give me some idea where to start with Biggie to expand my knowledge a little?

I'd say get Ready to Die and Life After Death and hear them in that order. In a way they're both concept albums, sort of a semi-autobiography that incorporates a lot of fiction and godfather like crime drama. Getting out of jail going from a nobody to a rap superstar, attemping to kill himself and then getting back to his old ways with his new rich and powerful status before getting assasinated. At least that's how I understood the loose narrative.

Will do, actually sounds like an interesting listen. Thanks!

Hands down biggie is the king!!!

I liked 2Pac with Dr. Dre and California Love, good music video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37wSwAJ98Zk

Hmmmm, my first post here. I was drawn straight to this thread, and i think Biggie was the better when it came to freestyling. But when it came to lyrics 2Pac is the best there will ever be, simply amazing. They were both great lyrically, freestyles, i loved both of their flows, etc etc... and you can't argue with them both being the 2 best ever... Pac was more the gangsta rapper aswell.

I've gone for Pac in the poll, but damn its a close one. If Big had the chance to make more music, who knows.. maybe i could of said him then.. but the same could be said for Pac.

Disagree with that last post to a certain extent, biggie definitely had the better rhymes and the better flow.

Pac was nowhere near as skilled in both his use of language and rhythm. Pac's songs carried a message that Biggie never could though and the passion in his voice is something unique.

I prefer the Beats on Biggies tracks as well, east coast rap destroys that west coast ****.

I call it a draw, Biggie is technically leagues ahead of him but there is just something about 2pac which raises him to a level other more proficient mc's struggle to reach.

"Juicy"

[Intro:]

(**** all you hoes) Get a grip mother****er.

Yeah, this album is dedicated to all the teachers that told me
I'd never amount to nothin', to all the people that lived above the
buildings that I was hustlin' in front of that called the police on
me when I was just tryin' to make some money to feed my daughters,
and all the niggaz in the struggle, you know what I'm sayin'?

Uh-ha, it's all good baby bay-bee, uh

[Verse One:]

It was all a dream
I used to read Word Up magazine
Salt'n'Pepa and Heavy D up in the limousine
Hangin' pictures on my wall
Every Saturday Rap Attack, Mr. Magic, Marley Marl
I let my tape rock 'til my tape popped
Smokin' weed and bamboo, sippin' on private stock
Way back, when I had the red and black lumberjack
With the hat to match
Remember Rappin' Duke, duh-ha, duh-ha
You never thought that hip hop would take it this far
Now I'm in the limelight 'cause I rhyme tight
Time to get paid, blow up like the World Trade
Born sinner, the opposite of a winner
Remember when I used to eat sardines for dinner
Peace to Ron G, Brucey B, Kid Capri
Funkmaster Flex, Lovebug Starsky
I'm blowin' up like you thought I would
Call the crib, same number same hood
It's all good

Uh, and if you don't know, now you know, nigga, uh

[Chorus:]

You know very well who you are
Don't let em hold you down, reach for the stars
You had a goal, but not that many
'cause you're the only one I'll give you good and plenty

[Verse Two:]

I made the change from a common thief
To up close and personal with Robin Leach
And I'm far from cheap, I smoke skunk with my peeps all day
Spread love, it's the Brooklyn way
The Moet and Alize keep me pissy
Girls used to diss me
Now they write letters 'cause they miss me
I never thought it could happen, this rappin' stuff
I was too used to packin' gats and stuff
Now honies play me close like butter played toast
From the Mississippi down to the east coast
Condos in Queens, indo for weeks
Sold out seats to hear Biggie Smalls speak
Livin' life without fear
Puttin' 5 karats in my baby girl's ears
Lunches, brunches, interviews by the pool
Considered a fool 'cause I dropped out of high school
Stereotypes of a black male misunderstood
And it's still all good

Uh...and if you don't know, now you know, nigga

[Verse Three:]

Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis
When I was dead broke, man I couldn't picture this
50 inch screen, money green leather sofa
Got two rides, a limousine with a chauffeur
Phone bill about two G's flat
No need to worry, my accountant handles that
And my whole crew is loungin'
Celebratin' every day, no more public housin'
Thinkin' back on my one-room shack
Now my mom pimps a Ac' with minks on her back
And she loves to show me off, of course
Smiles every time my face is up in The Source
We used to fuss when the landlord dissed us
No heat, wonder why Christmas missed us
Birthdays was the worst days
Now we sip champagne when we thirst-ay
Uh, damn right I like the life I live
'Cause I went from negative to positive
And it's all...

(It's all good)

...and if you don't know, now you know, nigga, uh
Uh, uh...and if you don't know, now you know, nigga
Uh...and if you don't know, now you know, nigga, uh

Representin' B-Town in the house, Junior Mafia, mad flavor, uh
Uh, yeah, a-ight

yeah biggies the boom.

never could get into 2pac that much. i like biggie's style a lot more.

Biggie's lyrics and flow are untouchable, but Pac's content is untouchable. It all depends on the mood I'm in.

Aside from self doubt, most club rap is based around violence, drugs, sexist bull**** and yes, even sexually transmitted diseases. People dance to the strangest things (probably because they don't even listen to the words they just want a "good beat")

Also what about Big Poppa or whatever it's called. "Through your hands in the air if yous a tru playa!!!!" typical dance stuff.

Ok EVERYONE WHO SAYS BIGGIE IS BETTER OR BETTER TO CHLL TO NEED TO GO HANG THEMSELVES BEING BETTER TO CHILL TO DOES NOT MAKE SOMEONE BETTER THAN THE OTHER. TUPAC IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME TUPAC WROTE AN ALBUM IN 5 DAYS HE USED TO DO 2-3 SONGS A DAY I MEAN COME ON. AND I KNOW THT STILL WONT MAKE U MUSIC NOOBS BELIEVE WELL CONSIDER THIS TUPAC IS THE BEST BECAUSE HE WAS ABLE TO HUSTLE EVERYONES MIND HE GOT INTO YOUR MIND AND REALLY MADE YOU THINK. HE HUSTLED YOUR MIND SO MUCH THAT EVEN WHEN HE DIED MANY MANY MANY PEOPLE STILL THINK HES ALIVE. NOW THATS WHAT I CALL AMAZING AND THE PEOPLE WHO THINK HES STILL ALIVE DO BECAUSE THEY LOVE HIM SO MUCH AND REFUSE TO LET HIM GO . COMPARE ONE OF TUPACS ALBUMS TO ONE OF BIGGIES NOT EVEN LISTEN TO THE SONG JUSTREAD THE TITLE. OK TUPAC HAS "BRENDAS GOT A BABY. ME AGAINST THE WORLD, STARIN AT THE WORLD THRU MY REAR VIEW, THUG MANSION, ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME. NOW LOOK AT BIGGIES MORE MONEY MORE PROBLEMS, BIG PAPPA, JUICY , WHAT IM TRYN TO SAY IS BIGGIES MUSIC IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN MANY OF THE ARTISTS TODAY HE TALKED ABOUT MONEY AND CLUBS AND MONEY WHAT ARTIST DOESNT DO THT THESE DAYS? THE ONLY REASON HE IS EVEN CONSIDERED WITH PAC IS BC THEY DIED AROUND THE SAME TIME AND THEY WER BEEFIN WITH EACHOTHER AT THE TIME AND EVERYONE NEW TUPAC WAS THE GREATEST AT THAT TIME AND EVERYONE WHO DIDNT LIKE HIM OR WAS FROM THE EAST COAST AUTOMATICALLY SAID BIGGIE FOR NO GOOD REASON. NOT TO MENTION MOST OF TUPACS ALBUMS ARE DUAL DISCS NOT JUST ONE HE WAS THE FIRST ARTIST TO DO THAT. LAST BUT NOT LEAST HIS MUSIC IS STILL COMING OUT TODAY . GET UR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE U WRITE UR DUMB COMMENTS. GO LISTEN TO THE LAST VERSE OF ME AGAINST THE WORLD THEN REPLY TO THis

I think it's funny how everything is capitalized except the last two letters.

You let go of the caps lock too late dude.

KID ROCK! jk, Tupac! :pimp:

**** man, he wrote 2-3 songs a day so he must be better. Quantity > Quality in music of course.:laughing:

You took one little line from all that and are laughing at me? ok well here you go how many number one hits did tupac have? now how many did biggie have? not only that but name one artist today ho sounds like pac cz i can name a bunch who sound like bigggie. go do ur soulja boy dance before u talk to the big boys :laughing:

Again, your trying to use quantity over quality. of course he had more ****ing hits when he put out 10 albums compared to biggies 2. And saying because I think biggie was a more talented rapper I like soulja boy is just plain ignorant. I'm not denying that pac was the better lyricist but biggies flow and story tellin abilities were far better

do you really think that many people actually believe tupac is still alive? Then again, from the looks of it, you probably believe it too.

Of course he is, saw him playing poker with Elvis just last tuesday

and exactly which artists and which songs specifically can you name?

for what? Club rap? Just take a look at the charts or pretty much any mainstream gangster rapper. They all get their tracks played in clubs and they're all about guns, drugs and having sex with their ho's. It's so ****in pathetic.

well if theres so many, name some. and quote them, please, because im curious.

lets look at a few:

Say Ah: good club R&B track, about alcohol, girls, dancing, typical club stuff. nothing about guns drugs or hos

Say Something: Nothing about hos guns or drugs

How Low: fun club song, gets the girls wild. but theres nothing about guns drugs or hos.

Anything by Ludacris, 50cent, anyone from Gunit, Ice Cube, Lil Jon, Three 6 mafia, Pitbull, T.I, Chamillionaire, Juelz Santana, Kid Cudi, Swizz Beats, Dizze Rascal, Dr Dre, Busta Rhymes, Fat Joe, MOP, Snoop Dogg, ying yang twins, Lil Wayne, Daddy Yankee, Yung Joc, e40, Tech N9ne... need I go on?


I think you'll find that the "girls" tend to be referred to as Ho's. and "typical club stuff" is getting drunjk, doing drugs, having sex, showing off bling, holding your gat bla bla bla. It's all the same and this isn't just opinion it's undeniable fact, go listen to the rap music they play in clubs, I mean actually listen to the lyrics.

Is it really a bad thing if club bangers aren't the most insightful?


And Busta Rhymes can slay on a verse



skip ahead to like 2:46

I never said it was. If you go back and look at how this started you would know that;





Then this random nomorepain guy asked for specific tracks or something. I'm not really sure what point he was trying to make.

Most of those people aren't Club Rappers...

club rap is generally about sex. It's to be danced to really. Violence is more a general hardcore rap thing.

have you ever heard rap music that's played in a club? ALL of those guys are club rappers. ALL of their music is used as club music.

Of course it's to be danced to, my point is people who listen to it don't listen to the lyrics, it's always about sex, violence, drugs etc but it doesn't matter to them because they don't listen to the lyrics they just listen to the beat.

People don't care what the song is about as long as they can dance to it.

And violence isn't a hardcore rap thing (i'm not even sure what you mean by 'hardcore' rap) violence is used in almost every club rap ever created

"dont stomp on me or me and my crew bla bla bla"

"i got my heater and my glock 9 bling bling muva****a!"

"get outta my face homie this girl dancing wit me chea!!!!"

all the same retarded bull**** on every single song.

What? Just because somebody's song is used in a club doesn't mean he's a club rapper. It's at best an ambiguous term, I guess - but in general (atleast in H-town), a club rapper is somebody who makes music specifically for dancing. In theory you could dance to D12... but why would you?

And hardcore rap is a genre.

I've never heard of hardcore rap as a genre most of these "hardcore rappers" to me = gangster rappers.

Anyway, of course if a song is sued in a club they are a club rapper (or at least partly a club rapper because they have made a club song). You will never hear a song in a club if it hasn't been made to dance to.

All the artists I mentioned make their music to dance to and no other reason(aside money of course).

But all the music that's made specifically to dance to in general isn't about violence but focuses on sex. The few songs Biggie Smalls spit for clubs were of course about sex, does that mean I see him as a club rapper? Of course not. He has many songs that don't even come close.

And hardcore rap is a pretty big genre to miss. It's not the same as gangsta rap.

A lot of club songs are about violence. I don't mean graphic violence I mean

"I step in the club with my ho and my glock/ yo yo yo the party neva stop!"

If they make club rap I'll bet my entire life savings they mention a weapon of some description or talk about being gangster or in one way or another imply some sort of violence like "Don't step to me im just here to dance but I'll **** you up good if I get the chance" or some other drivel.

And like I say, never heard of hardcore rap, but all the rappers wiki mentions under "hardcore rap" can be related to another genre eg Kool G Rap = gangster rap. I've only heard of rap being described as "Hardcore" in the same way you would say "Dude this guys a hardcore mutha****a". Not saying it doesn't exist(clearly it does) just saying it's the first time I've heard of it as a genre and all the artists wiki mentions under the genre tend to come under other genres as well. It seems almost like an overlap of various other genres.