Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1318120)

I listened to 2001 recently. Quite good.

Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1318131)

Yeah, prefer that album.

Originally Posted by DUBSTER (Post 1244612)

I actually grew up with both DR. dre and Ice cube, and DR. DRE is DEFIANTLY one of my favorites. Most of his productions were sky rockets till now.

Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1324902)

The Chronic vs Death Certificate? What do you guys think?

Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1324902)

The Chronic vs Death Certificate? What do you guys think?

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1324908)

The Chronic.

Now if it were The Chronic vs The Predator it would be a totally different story.

Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1318297)

The thing with The Chronic is that the best part about it is the production. Snoop is nice and all and his delivery was totally unique for the time but both him and the others only talk about gangsta ****. To me, that makes the album feel a little two-dimensional. Granted, 2001 is even worse with the gangsta and misogynistic lyrics BUT it's also better on the production tip. (imo) I wish 2001 had more Em and more Snoop.

Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1318046)

Hm, a lot of people LOVE Eminem Show. I don't mind it but "Drips" alone makes it worse than his last two.

Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1325312)

The subject matter is average at best on both albums, if you're listening to a Dre album then you're not listening to it for the lyrics, but The Chronic has the better production. If you were asked to think of the quintessential West Coast sound, you'd straight away think of the G-Funk thing Dre did. Tracks like Deez Nuts, FWDD, What's My Name, Can't C Me etc.

I think some of the beats on 2001 sound a bit dated now.



Think it's cos at the time he made SSLP and MMLP the Bass Brothers did most of the production then on TES he did it himself. It was alright given he produced a lot of the beats I guess.

Also I don't think Eminem is that good when he's being honest, when he did tracks like Hailie's Song, My Dad's Gone Crazy, Cleanin' Out My Closet they were just corny for the most part, he's better when he's being a crazy, drugged up cunt (Role Model, My Fault, Drug Ballad, Guilty Conscience.) That was always the appeal for me when I first started listening to him.

Originally Posted by Mankycaaant (Post 1325849)

^ that's because you like his 'commanding presence'

Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1325952)

Are you implying that Dr. Dre can't rap. That is totally laughable.

Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1326016)

Rapping

Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1326200)

I always thought Dre was an average rapper. The fact that he doesn't write his own stuff doesn't get him any points in my book either.

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1326203)

He is an average rapper. Fortunately for him it's his other skills that he's famous for.

Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1326558)

I think average is putting it nicely tbh.

He's even admitted people write his lyrics for him. Hip-Hop is about the narrative and he's not even writing his own stories, the things he says don't come from him, for me that's such a flaw if you're in Hip-Hop, how can you be anything better than average as a rapper if you're not writing your own lyrics? You can tell who wrote them just by listening sometimes as well.

Fair enough he picks and chooses what he will use but it's not the same.

I've also heard he uses ghost producers as well, which disappointed me but I dunno how true it is.

p.s. does anyone have anything where Dre actually wrote the lyrics and rapped them?

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1326560)

I totally disagree with the bolded. If that were true there'd be no such thing as instrumental hip hop or non-narrative lyrics in hip hop, and there are plenty of both out there.

Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1326559)

I don't care if he didn't write his own lyrics. It's not like the music he makes is there to be analysed in any great detail in the first place.

Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1326568)

And a lot of it is shit. It is mostly about the narrative, doesn't mean there can't be sub genres or that instrumental Hip-Hop can't be made.

The main focus is primarily the rapper and what they're saying. Most of the shit rappers are the guys with nothing to say. And Instrumental Hip-Hop in terms of proper releases is relatively new I'd say.

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1326576)

I disagree that it's mostly about the narrative. There is certainly a history of storytelling in hip hop, as there is in a lot of music such as country, folk, rock, etc., but that doesn't mean in any of these genres it's mostly about the narrative. This is music we're talking about here, which means it's mostly about... the music. And even if you're just talking about lyrics, I'd say that the majority of hip hop lyrics aren't stories.

Originally Posted by Richard Feltcher (Post 1375742)

Eazy E could roll all those homies while he was alive