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Old 04-18-2010, 09:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm always a little suspicious when, say, an Australian tells America what the deal is with a medium it created.
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:44 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Consider the source, bear. I'm always a little suspicious when, say, an Australian tells America what the deal is with a medium it created.
If you're trying to imply I'm australian, you're wrong. And if you're trying to imply america created rap music, you're wrong.

So well done on posting something that is 100% wrong and has no truth to it at all.

Even if america did create rap music (which they didn't) that wouldn't mean they know what's best for it, they pretty much raped the entire hip hop culture over the last decade and it's just gotten worse. They lost their way, they forgot what it's all about. They turned it into an industry and were blinded by the high life. There's so few spitters I rate in america now, it's really sad.

And hip hop is universal, it doesn't belong to one country no matter how ****ing superior america thinks it is to the world. You can find good rappers all across the world, I'm betting every country in the world has at least one good rapper even if you've never heard of him/her.

"that flash of magic, with an imagination to match it,
so catch it, it's classic, but it will not be contained,
in an industry man made, 'cause it runs through my veins,"

a nice little aussie rap quote for you.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:02 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:09 AM   #24 (permalink)
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that flash of magic, with an imagination to match it,
so catch it, it's classic, but it will not be contained,
in an industry man made, 'cause it runs through my veins
Field of Dreams is a beast of a song.

But still, if I was going to make a list comparing great hip hop to emerge in Aus/America lately, it would run something like.

Hilltop Hoods
The Herd
Bliss N Eso
Casual Projects
Resin Dogs
Laneous and the Family Yah

vs

Lupe Fiasco
El-P
Aesop Rock
Sole
Atmosphere
Ghostface Killa
POS
Dessa
Blackalicious
MF Doom
Mos Def
Look Daggers
The Roots
Sadistik
Novel

It's not that we aren't making good stuff, but the American underground (and mainstream) is putting out so much excellent stuff that we can't match up. I'm pretty sure all the artists I listed are in it for love of the culture/music.
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:44 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Field of Dreams is a beast of a song.

But still, if I was going to make a list comparing great hip hop to emerge in Aus/America lately, it would run something like.

Hilltop Hoods
The Herd
Bliss N Eso
Casual Projects
Resin Dogs
Laneous and the Family Yah

vs

Lupe Fiasco
El-P
Aesop Rock
Sole
Atmosphere
Ghostface Killa
POS
Dessa
Blackalicious
MF Doom
Mos Def
Look Daggers
The Roots
Sadistik
Novel

It's not that we aren't making good stuff, but the American underground (and mainstream) is putting out so much excellent stuff that we can't match up. I'm pretty sure all the artists I listed are in it for love of the culture/music.
Recently? only one of the american artists you mentioned could possibly be considered "recent".

And personally Bliss n Eso > Every other rapper you just mentioned.

And you missed out other great australian acts like Pez, Illy, Illzilla, etc

I could name six aussie rappers that **** all over the entire american scene combined. But that's just in my opinion. Aussie rap right now reminds me of america's golden era brought up to date.

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to Hip Hop from our backyard, no gang signs
And no ****ed nines, none of that nah
Just hot rhymes from our own kind, young Aussie minds
Why some push poison like the love's there for exploiting?
How long can the culture avoid 'em?
Why bother? We good brother, they took cover
They mainstream, even our big names hooked up underground"
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:20 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Yeah, emerge was the wrong word - I just meant artists that are all releasing music currently that rivals anything coming out of Aus.

Personally, Bliss n Eso lyrically are not so strong. They can paint some lovely imagery, and have some nice punchlines, but they are inconsistent and especially when they go for statements there's no insight. Mind you I've never heard their early stuff.
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:11 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Yeah, emerge was the wrong word - I just meant artists that are all releasing music currently that rivals anything coming out of Aus.

Personally, Bliss n Eso lyrically are not so strong. They can paint some lovely imagery, and have some nice punchlines, but they are inconsistent and especially when they go for statements there's no insight. Mind you I've never heard their early stuff.
I'm assuming by lyrically you're talking about lyricism (not what they're saying but how they say it) in which case I'd have to disagree, I think Bliss n Eso are two of the most lyrically adept emcees around right now.
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:33 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Lyricism refers to any aspect of the MC's lyrics - not just technique. So it's not just how they're saying it, but also that there isn't much originality to what they're saying. Anyway, I don't want to get drawn into an argument where I bitch about artists that I actually really like.
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Even if america did create rap music (which they didn't) that wouldn't mean they know what's best for it, they pretty much raped the entire hip hop culture over the last decade and it's just gotten worse. They lost their way, they forgot what it's all about. They turned it into an industry and were blinded by the high life. There's so few spitters I rate in america now, it's really sad.


Get over yourself.
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Old 04-20-2010, 02:32 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Also, if you wouldn't mind, what non-austrailian seeks out that music if you're not from there.
Usually it's people who realise that Hip Hop isn't limited to america. People who actually have an open mind and aren't ignorant **** wits like you. You don't have to be from australia to listen to australian rap. Hip Hop is universal. The fact that you think you need to be australian to listen to australian rap just further proves my point of how closed-minded, arrogant and foolish the majority of americans are when it comes to Hip Hop. You're a disgrace to your country and the people who truly live in the Hip Hop culture and know that it can be found anywhere and isn't limited to america.

Of course there's always been a drive for the lavish life style and a business side to it. The difference is the money was secondary, they were just doing what they love and if they could make money from it, great, if not? Who cares.
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