What you mean whats my point,

im just giving Eminem props, props that he deserves,

he would eat any mc up in a battle its not even close, any1 who tried it on got bashed the f up and smashed the f up haha, he can spit better than most,

i ask anyone who cares to name 3 or 4 better lyricists that him,

it might seem ilike i rate Em as the best i dont iv only have him on 4 in my top 5, but undoubtetly he is a great of all time, his legacy will last forever! where others will be forgotten....

What you think of Ns's Hip Hop Is Dead??

i think this is quality, Nas is a true great imo obviously, but younger folk wouldnt realise this....

I'll shoot.

Aesop Rock
Dose One
Chuck D
Yoni Wolf


There you go, 4 off the top of my head.

Illmatic is his only good album imo. Of the three I have heard.

Aesop Rock whata mumble jumbler, more like aesop who??

Just lol at the others too, get a grip

Troll.

He's obviously someone that takes how popular an artist is, over how talented an artist is.
I base that on him thinking that Oscars and awards = talent.

Diggable Planets is pretty decent, also. Might as well include them in this list somewhere. After all, they did create jazz rap (I think).

For me it would be Eminem or the Black Eyed Peas.. ^^;

Wu-Tang Clan are the greatest.

blaze-ini, cheat death like houdini
word to bad birds who fuck nerds in bikinis...

Immortal Technique
Prometheus Brown
Chuck D
Nas


And as for using Oscars, awards, popularity etc. as evidence then I think this lyric is quite fitting

"If you go platinum it's got nothin' to do with luck / it just means that a million people are stupid as ****"
Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution

Don't talk here if you don't understand his music. Aesop Rock is probably one of the best rappers in hip hop.

Aesop Rock
MF DOOM
Dalek
Mos Def

There are others if you want to know more. :)

Artists: Nas, 2Pac, Notorious B.I.G., Big L, Big Pun, and much more.

Groups: WU-TANG CLAN!, N.W.A, Eric B & Rakim, Tha Dogg Pound, G-Unit, and more.


I would never consider guys like Eminem, Jay-Z, Dr. Dre because they are all no good sellouts. Maybe if i answered this question in 2003 things would have been different.

Eminem, Jay-Z and Dr. Dre are no good sellouts, but you listed G-Unit. Lol.

2Pac

i'm going to say for AT LEAST THE LAST DECADE.........Kanye West

I just love the hip hops.

From someone whose followed hop-hop all their life;
here's my top 5, and subsequently my 5 nominations:
Big L
Rakim
Immortal Technique
Nas
Notorious BIG

I like them but ummm greatest ever?

negative.

Hi-tek is good but not THAT good that he can make up for Ninja's delivery.

Greatest hip hop group ever: Wu Tang. No contest.

How can you compete with, not two or three, but nine of the some of the greatest names in hip hop, who've made some of the most favored albums in the genre, both together and independently? Not to mention they're STILL out touring for fans, RZA is making a freaking kung fu movie with Russell Crowe, and they have their own video game. WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who didn't like Wu Tang.

Musicbanter as a whole pretty much decided that as well.

2Pac, Eminem, Black Eyed Peas, Outkast, Wu Tang Clan, Jay-Z, Kanye West

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Personal All Time Favorite Group

Dilated Peoples

other nominee's by me

Freestyle Fellowship
Pete Rock n CL Smoothe
FAB5
Outkast

lawl

you were riding high with 2Pac and Biggie then just slumped down to a low with Master P

He is not only a lyrical stand-alone rapper his productions are pretty raw too.

I'd check out Felt 3: Tribute to Rosie Perez.

here's a couple that i dont see listed.

Phonte
Kanye West
Lupe Fiasco

For me it is Cage. I love his style and the gritty realism of his lyrics. Hell's Winter is one of my favourite records of all time of any genre.:stupid:

Cage is pretty awesome it took me awhile to get into his flow though. Sometimes it sounds a bit off beat but he comes from my home town. Well one of my hometowns.

Which Cage record do you like best?

Do you like Necro? He's quite good, I Need Drugs is a great tune. Some of his stuff is a bit obscene for me though in all honesty. Thye samples he uses are good, especially the Charles Manson ones.:wave:

Necro is okay but I don't really like the whole death rap stuff.




I like Movies for the Blind with Hell's Winter being a close second.
I'm talking about Cage obviously

I really liked Agent Orange off Movies For The Blind, great tune. I never really got into the whole album though, not like I did with Hell's Winter(I got the 2 disc with the instrumentals which is pretty cool).:band:

I am fondle of listing Hip-Hop music.My ever and ever greatest Hip-Hop artist are:
Doom
Slug
Mos def
Outkast
NAS
2Pack.

not read the whole post- but are the Jungle Brothers in there somewhere?

Lil Wayne

period
point blank
no argument necessary

I say none.Rap is the worst form of pop music.They cant sing,they are horrible musicians and they cant speak plain English.I have heard some crap in my time but rap takes the cake.

Ignorance..... is it bliss?

You clearly have only heard the likes of Gucci Mane and Waka Flocka etc. smh.

"It Doesn't Make You A Good Person To Criticize Before You Improvise. Doesn't Necessarily Make You A Bad Person Either But The Characteristics Fall Heavily Into Bad Sway" - Weezy

Really? I rap. Do you think I'm a horrible musician? I think I'm half way decent. But apparently I must suck because "rap" (it's properly called Hip-Hop, by the way) is talentless. Which is odd because it seems like it took quite a bit of study and diligent practicing to get it down. Huh. Go figure.

You clearly have no idea what goes into making a hip hop song. You equate talent with playing an instrument, I assume. The amount of talent a producer needs to have to make a good track is immense, it takes a lot of work to get this down. Hours and hours on end of studio time perfecting beats.

The rappers themselves aren't talentless either. Do you think rapping is just talking over a beat? Why don't you record yourself doing that and show us the results. Like the piano, rapping can be entry level, but is a tricky vocal technique to perfect and truly master. If you think you can spit for us, right here and right now, and actually present a decent flow - I say go for it. Upload it to youtube and let us watch. Prove to us how talentless rap really is.

The technical aspects of rapping are just one difficult area to master. There's also the immense creative responsibility of crafting lyrics. These are poets and wordsmiths, and even spitting a half way decent bar takes more talent than playing a few crappy guitar chords and singing a few easily recalled lyrics.

By the way, in addition to producing beats and rapping - I also play guitar, bass, piano, flute, and sing. I don't think any of those things takes more talent than the other.

If you are judging hip-hop by what appears in the charts these days you are way off the mark. Listen to Public Enemy, DJ Shadow and Dalek and try and tell us that they have no talent.

As regards muscianship and singing, in not just hip-hop but music in general, they don't mean everything. Some artists can say more in one note than others can in 30 notes, for example hardcore-punk bands.

Lil' Kim is the BEST!!!!

http://officialdjgreen.com/blog/word...11/lil-kim.jpg

2Pac is the greatest. Definitely