Not all of rap is bad. Most of it, I do agree but simply because most of the rap music involves some black dude from the ghetto talking about things such as violence, rape, sex, guns, how they are the scariest guy in their town ,or being able to gain so much money thru illegal means, drugs, cocaine, i mean the list goes on and on to justify your opinion. but take not, these are male rappers.

if you listen to more female rappers such as Lil' Kim, Da Brat, Missy Elliot, Nicki Minaj, you'll appreciate 'something' in rap that you never did when you heard it from a guy. and that is pure, real, untouched by negative issues MUSIC.

The first rap song I heard was Slim Shady by Eminem which has a music video of a fat lady eating a burger with some phlegm on it. seriously, how sick can rapping get?

But when i discovered Lil' Kims "No Matter What People Say", i made the conclusion that rap, though probably just 5% or close to none in these modern times, can bring a positive message accross the world.

That's unbelievably ignorant.


1. "most of the rap music involves some black dude from the ghetto talking about things such as violence, rape, sex, guns, how they are the scariest guy in their town ,or being able to gain so much money thru illegal means, drugs, cocaine, i mean the list goes on and on to justify your opinion. but take not, these are male rappers."

First of all the majority are talking about the life that surrounds them, it's only negative when they glorify that kind of activity and lifestyle. Someone like Nas has socially conscious lyrics (for the most part) and he talks about a lot of those things, but he talks about how corrosive they are to his community.


2. "if you listen to more female rappers such as Lil' Kim, Da Brat, Missy Elliot, Nicki Minaj, you'll appreciate 'something' in rap that you never did when you heard it from a guy. and that is pure, real, untouched by negative issues MUSIC."

If you'd actually researched the music before making your matter of fact comment then you'd know that there are lots, and I mean lots, of positive male rappers, aswell as negative female rappers. Hip-hop's a massively diverse genre, and gangster rap was only popular in the mainstream for what, about 8/9 years from '89 towards around '98 (generalising). Just because you don't like the sound of a male rapper because it doesn't suit your blatant femininity doesn't mean that it's bad.


3. "But when i discovered Lil' Kims "No Matter What People Say", i made the conclusion that rap, though probably just 5% or close to none in these modern times, can bring a positive message accross the world."

I'd say that hip-hop is actually the most positive music throughout history, socially, politically, etc. It also happens to be one of the worst (besides something like brutal death metal), but the fact that it's that diverse is amazing.


If these are your opinions then there's no point of you posting in the rap/hip-hop section, you clearly have no knowledge or understanding of the genre.

the life that surrounds them? ha! these rappers earn thousands of dollars probably and you think they are surrounded by these negative issues they're putting on their rap? i don't think so. what i think is that most rappers are trying to manipulate a great majority of the population especially those who are in the ghetto who really are the ones experiencing these ugly life situations cause them rap artists know that the secret formula is:

socially disturbing rap = large percentage of young,urban, 'wild' population = greater probability of sales income


i assume the current ratio of male negative rappers vs male positive rappers is probably 99:1.
in fact, i've never heard a male rapper not insulting anyone in their songs. it's always about dissing someone and getting pride out of what they're doing. just purely dissappointing.
in a man's world, rap is about conflict.
in a woman's world, it's different.

positively, hip-hop gives chances to those who can't sing to just talk fast in front of the mic.
negatively, where do i begin?

no knowledge, i disagree. i've got enough knowledge to justify my opinion is on point.
no understanding? you bet i don't. i don't understand majority of the hip-hop community and how they love so much to rap about drugs, sex, guns, violence, etc.

weird, you actually have a point here. I won't say most but some of the people that love those type of songs that live in the ghetto like it because they live it everyday so it's like a soundtrack to them and they can relate to what they are saying in some of their songs. They prefer "street" songs/singles than to other types. Mixtapes usually have more of a street vibe than official releases though. Official releases have more club tracks and songs for the ladies. That part of your statement I don't agree with.

The few mainstream female rappers that are around always go at each other's throat more often than the males.

exhibit A

:banghead:

If you replaced "female rappers" with "alternative" or "underground" you'd be- bizarrely enough- kind-off right.

However, it's clear that this is a genre you haven't spent much time exploring.If your just looking on the surface (which most hip hop haters do) your stereotype isn't completely off the mark.

Don't you think rapping about staying in luxury hotels and having everything handed to you would be less enticing? How many fans could relate to that?

You shouldn't make sweeping generalisations on something you know little about, you just shouldn't.

Soapbox Melodics 'What I Would Do'
 

Soapbox Melodics 'What I Would Do'
Definatley the best group out there

Soapbox Melodics 'What I Would Do'
If someone makes a remix of that I will love them!!

Andre 3000
A Tribe Called Quest
Tupac and Biggie (of course)
Ceelo Green (You may not like his solo stuff but he is very talented)
Lil Kim.

Listening to Outkast right now. I think I'll give them my vote here.

It's close for me. I have Public Enemy at 1A and Beastie Boys and 1B.

I think the Beastie Boys have had the better, more consistent career. Licensed to Ill was a game changer (even if you're not a huge fan, like me) and Paul's Boutique is as good an example of using samples in rap as we've ever seen. However, they lose just a few points because they can occasionally stray outside of rap.

Public Enemy may have been a shooting star, burning out after their incredible first 4 albums. But you can make a solid, legit argument that It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back and Fear of a Black Planet are both top 5 rap albums of all time. The political vitriol is something no other artist in history, maybe with the exception of Bob Dylan, could communicate so well. It's a shame Flavor Flav has the reputation that he does today. While he was the court jester with his viking helmet, clocks and YEAAAAAHHH BOIIII!!!; he made it that Chuck D could deliver his social critique that set him apart from just about any rappers back then and today.

Greatest Hip Hop Artist/Group Ever are :

2PAC & EMINEM :banghead:

My top 3 would probably be Tupac, Biggie and Jay Z.

Isn't Ceelo Green more Neo-soul/contemporary R&B, than hip hop or rap?

He has a unique voice and style, but he still has a ways to go, as for having a very mature and sophisticated sounding style. Some of his music just gets to "Bubblegum" for me.

I don't think he has found his true personality musically yet. Maybe he never will go beyond singing for 12 and 13 year old girls. Who knows? or cares.

Not to mention his work with Goodie Mob.

What about CeeLo Greens solo work at the present time? OutKast and Goodie Mob are some of his prior work.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just asking about his current ongoing solo career? (I'm not really familiar with a lot of his music until just recently). Is his work still mainly hip hop music?:confused:

PS. Thanks for the information concerning his connection to OutKast and Goodie Mob. I didn't know that until now.

Yes his most recent solo stuff is more contemporary R&B/Neo Soul

His past solo albums are considered more alternative hip hop though.

His unique style is what makes him so good to people, the whole singing to 12-13 year old girls thing I don't get. I guess you are basing that off of his radio single and not the album itself. Listen to Lady Killer then see if you still think the same way.

As DJ said, his solo albums from a few years ago were Hip Hop as opposed to R&B. He may have utilized his singing voice on his Hip Hop albums, but there was still a lot of rapping going on.

Speaking of Lady Killer, how good an album is it DJ?

I only gave it one listen and it didn't impress me much. I'm willing to re-listen and give it another chance though.

I guess maybe I may have based to much assumption on his single Forget You/Fukk You. Its the part toward the end of the song when he's like.."whinning & crying" ad lib. It just ruins the whole song for me anyway. It starts off so good vocally with the first verse and chorus, but then his little "ad lib"s toward the end just fukks the whole song up..lol.:rolleyes:

I'm sure he does have some good singles though, his vocals are very unique.

Definitely give the album a full listen and just skip over that track. I'm going to listen to it again myself. I listened to it the first day it came out and then moved onto my long list of other albums I wanted to get through. So maybe I didn't give it much of a chance.

InI
Souls of Mischief
The Pharcyde
De La Soul
Gift of Gab

i really love Snoop Dog's rap. Its amazing...!

A Tribe Called Quest
Aesop Rock
Shad
MF Doom
Kanye West
Tupac
Big L
Easy E
Method Man
Nas

get shads bitch ass off that list and your straight

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Poor Righteous Teachers
Freestyle Fellowship

Shad > Nas, Tupac, and MF Doom.

You listen to the lamest ****.

you silly goose :P

It's opinion of course, but I've never been a fan of any of them.
Tupac's my favorite out of the three, though. Nas is alright. Always felt he was vastly overrated.

And Doom is awful outside of that Adult Swim project.

De La Soul
Souls of Mischief
A Tribe Called Quest
Cunninglynguists

These four groups are the ones that stand out for me

Jay Electronica
Mos Def
Raekwon
MF Doom
El-P

You say this all the time and have never been able to back up why.

Biggie > Tupac

Then Nas is somewhere else above Tupac.

Yeah man. Correct.

Biggie > Nas > Tupac.

tupac isn't even in the top 50 for me. He had the look and personality, but his rapping doesn't stand the test of time like biggies has.

I have, too. I hate his voice and his flow. They irk the **** out of me.