Could Hip Hop have existed wthout R&B ever existing?

bak · 08-30-2011, 09:10 PM

Do you like Wiz Khalifa?

Sparky · 08-30-2011, 09:37 PM

lol this thread is dope

Alfred · 08-30-2011, 09:40 PM

No.

Electrophonic Tonic · 08-30-2011, 09:40 PM

Give a listen to Marvin Gaye's What's Going On. It's probably the greatest R&B record of all time, among the overall greatest albums of all time and one of the most political albums ever released.

Also, the pop sensibility of R&B in the 50's helped people like Elvis cross the genre over into white audiences, and forge Rock n Roll. I can't remember who said it, but it was along the lines of: "R&B and Rock and Roll are the same music. The difference is R&B was black music and Rock and Roll was white music".

It's safe to say R&R had a big influence on hip-hop/rap, and R&B made it possible. So many of the 'genres' we have today are so interconnected, I imagine things would be completely different if one of them were to disappear.

Phantom Limb · 08-31-2011, 09:56 PM

Wiz Khalifa is pretty trash in my opinion. He's like a retarded version of Curren$y. Some of his early stuff was just slightly interesting, nothing more.

djchameleon · 09-01-2011, 05:48 AM

lame, he shouldn't have edited his post. it was pretty hilarious to me when I first read it but didn't comment on it at the time.

Sure, modern hip hop borrows heavily on soul and R&B samples. I think hip hop would still be able to exist without it though. The origins of hip hop is just having the dj spin a record and having an MC rhyme over it. There are plenty other genres to sample and scratch up to get the acquired sound.

As far as Wiz goes, I listen to him but I know he's nothing spectacular. I just enjoy a few songs from him.

Ben Butler · 09-01-2011, 01:55 PM

R &B, Hip-Hop, rap... the difference is minimal. They have all helped each other evolve and survive in the modern, contemporary music industry. Wiz Khalifa is a great artist.

EvilChuck · 09-02-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben Butler

R &B, Hip-Hop, rap... the difference is minimal. They have all helped each other evolve and survive in the modern, contemporary music industry. Wiz Khalifa is a great artist.

Listen to stuff thats deeper than what you hear on the charts before you make a statement like that, otherwise you look like an uneducated fool.

Here's two examples, one is an r'n'b song, one is a rap song. They both have the same instrumental, so it should be easier for you to decipher the difference

Minimal difference? How about songs that dont have the same instrumental, see if there is a big difference there...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there is a big difference between r'n'b and rap.

As for Wiz Khalif ai like a few of his mixtapes, but his recent stuff and his albums have been pretty dire in comparison.

FRED HALE SR. · 09-02-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by matious

lol this thread is dopey

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duanecharles · 09-15-2011, 09:23 PM

No I really doubt it, most of the melodies and arrangements behind the the original pioneering rap songs were sampled from R&B music. It is what made rap back then so intoxicating. Now you can't hear any R&B without HipHop plastered all over it. How ironic. R&B created Hip hop and Hiphop eventually killed it.

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duanecharles Groupie Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 10	No I really doubt it, most of the melodies and arrangements behind the the original pioneering rap songs were sampled from R&B music. It is what made rap back then so intoxicating. Now you can't hear any R&B without HipHop plastered all over it. How ironic. R&B created Hip hop and Hiphop eventually killed it. __________________ Duane Charles

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Electrophonic Tonic Your Ad Here Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 876	Give a listen to Marvin Gaye's What's Going On. It's probably the greatest R&B record of all time, among the overall greatest albums of all time and one of the most political albums ever released. Also, the pop sensibility of R&B in the 50's helped people like Elvis cross the genre over into white audiences, and forge Rock n Roll. I can't remember who said it, but it was along the lines of: "R&B and Rock and Roll are the same music. The difference is R&B was black music and Rock and Roll was white music". It's safe to say R&R had a big influence on hip-hop/rap, and R&B made it possible. So many of the 'genres' we have today are so interconnected, I imagine things would be completely different if one of them were to disappear.

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Ben Butler Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Rudheath Posts: 393	R &B, Hip-Hop, rap... the difference is minimal. They have all helped each other evolve and survive in the modern, contemporary music industry. Wiz Khalifa is a great artist.