You alright mate?

yus?

Please don't boo DJ Shadow, he always has been par excellent. The real response to Il Duce's completely out of place, random comment is ...

"What?"

I think it deserved a boo. Fight me!

*smack*

that riff raff thread goes hard

harder than a vs. thread ever will

sparky i'm not a damn horse.. i don't rock a damn saddle.. break away

Seems like the saddle is riding you.

you wouldn't know about saddling up if a fat black chick with gristle in her teeth lasso'd you from two blocks away, so don't tell me about your posh endeavors

I can appreciate Aesops lyrical ability and vocabulary, but production, beats, flow, and rhyme scheme are all in Doom's favor.

This one easy for me. I hate Doom as an MC. His production is on point but there are very few songs of his I actually enjoy listening to. I have a friend who's a huge fan that made me listen to more songs than I'd like to admit. I really want to like him but my brain screams "Turn this **** off".

Aesop > Doom.. All day er'day.

you crazy. Not for liking Aesop more than Doom that's fine but h8n on Doom is like, not cool.

I just hate his lyrics and flow. He's annoying. :D

stop smiling, you're not right, quit smiling like that. I dunno I don't think I've ever met anyone who hates Doom that much but I love Doom so I probably repressed even knowing anyone hated him.

DOOM for me the guy I think has a lot more going towards him in variety flows, beats, personas, and the sheer number of projects he is a constant collaborator.

Aesop is an awesome lyricist and deserves respect I just think that DOOM has a more well-rounded past judging from his work.

I think Aesop is arguably the better producer right now.

DOOM's definitely got better beats (compared to classic Aesop. The beats on Skelethon are a completely different style in general), but Aesop's 10x more original when it comes to flow and lyrics, so I'd pick him.

I'd take Skelethon beats over any of DOOM's work.

And I see your deleted post Sparky. Come at me bro.

^Great album, but Labor Days, Float, and a mouthfull of DOOM albums are a lot better.

Lyrics I'll give you, but Ace's flow leaves a lot to be desired.

BTW how can I change my vote? I've seen the light.

I can get preferring them, but the styles are so vastly different that there's no point in even comparing the two. His beats that are pre-None Shall Pass I can get, but even then he did a lot of stuff with different producers, so I'm not sure there's even a point there unless you fault him for lacking a skill DOOM has.

Pretty sure Aesop didn't produce those other albums (and I meant what they have produced themselves, as opposed to the beats they go over).

Blockhead did a majority of the production for Float/Labor Days but Aesop did have his hand in it. If you want to hear early Aesop production listen to Appleseed EP, he produced almost every song.

Appleseed EP - Full Album

Just a little question: what's with everyone talking about the producers in hip hop? On rock albums they might be mentioned in the liner notes if they're lucky.

Because production IS the band, and the MC is the lead singer. It's diff for other music.

Aah, I see. Thanks! :thumb:

After you listen to hiphop for a while you can recognize producers by their beats similar to how you recognize the way certain bands tune their instruments or something.

RZA, Stoupe, and Primo all come to mind.

Ah I didn't know you were coming at it from that perspective. I was just thinking in terms of the albums released under their names without considering the producer.

Overall I think DOOM has a more impressive and creative backlog of albums with a dip every once and awhile in quality while Aesop pretty much sticks to what he knows and stays on a pretty even keel as far as the kind of music he puts out. DOOM wins, but just by a hair. Take Me to Your Leader, Madvillainy are two of my favorite albums, evar.

Vaudeville Villain
Mm.. Food
Madvillainy
Born Like This
Operation Doomsday
The Mouse & The Mask

DOOM'S arsenal of material not only makes him a better MC, but also makes this thread arbitrary, and Aesop Rock obsolete.

No love for 'The Mask and the Moustache'?

Lil Wayne has tons of material too.. Lil Wayne > Aesop! Doesn't matter how much material you put out if it's not that great. The overall quality of Aesop as an emcee > Doom.

I'm not saying the amount of material he has has anything to do with it, but that most of DOOM'S records are classics (2003-2005). Tha Carter 1-3 could be considered "classics", at least to me, and Labor Days would be also. But DOOM still reigns superior.

tbh the only aesop album i've ever really listened to is labor days and it has some ok songs on it. he's more of a poet than anything else to me. he says some insightful things but a lot of the time his style is awkward and corny.

doom has some clever **** but also a lot of filler that seems forced and not that interesting to me. there are a few albums like madvillain and the first viktor vaughn that have some ok songs but overall not really something i want to listen to a lot.

so really i'd say neither one really catches my attention all that much but if i had to choose i'd give the edge to doom.

i actually do think lil wayne > aesop

in terms of who i'd rather listen to

carter 2 era wayne vs aesop? no question about it. but wayne does have a lot of ****ty material too i won't lie and i haven't checked for anything he has put out in the longest.

I was just joking with justthefacts because he called Aesop obsolete, and I prefer Aesop to Doom, and definitely over lil wayne!

I'll admit Aesop's early work is kind of hard to swallow, but his last 2 albums have been amazing, in all aspects.

We could debate all day about this, but I'm pretty sure the majority can agree ALL CAPS.

haven't heard them tbh so i won't write them off. do you think lil wayne is **** in general or just not as good as aesop?

Garbage. Not my kind of rap, I'm all about 90s and the underground. I don't mind it at bars/clubs though cuz the beats are good.

i don't get that. maybe cause i lived in south florida and now am in north carolina... saying wayne is garbage is like going to new york and saying nas is garbage. maybe not your style but he can spit some ****. what have you heard by him?

Sure he can rap, but his lyrics are garbage.. I like lyrics that are intelligent and clever. Those are qualities he doesn't possess as a human being.

Mainstream rappers these days write like 4 bar verses with a pop chorus, they hardly give themselves time to even develop the flow before the verse is over.