i don't know what you mean. "sure he can rap but his lyrics are garbage." then what do you mean by he can rap?

i like intelligent **** too but i also like snoop, dre, too $hort and master p etc. you can't honestly tell me that wayne is less clever than them and have me take you serious. like snoop dogg ever uttered a profound thought in his life. it's just rap music.

No, I've said in other threads, for me some of those artists get by on nostalgia. I've never liked Snoop or JayZ. I just prefer my rap to be about the lyrics and the rhyming more so than the beat.

And by rap I meant he has the ability to rhyme. 90s music told a story or wrote songs about something. You can argue Lil Wayne does that too but it's to a way lesser degree. Just look at the verses of 90s rap compared to main stream rap today.

It's not about the rhyming anymore. Mainstream rap today is about making pop music with a rap delivery for a large audience. It's fun, party, and fantasy oriented (for the average blue collar american).

Comparing Aesop to Lil Wayne is like comparing apples to mashed potatoes.

ok maybe we're just different cause to me jay-z in his prime could out-rap aesop any day of the week. if you say he can't tell a story then i'm unsure who can. maybe you don't even understand the lyrics that you say are garbage because they're so embedded with slang and terms that you don't understand.

i agree, they hit completely different spots.

The sentence following the snoop/jayz comment had nothing to do with them. I don't understand why your nagging me. I simply do not like Lil Wayne, I think he is a bad lyricist. If you find his lyrics appealing or clever than have at it.

I know slang talk. I've been listening to rap for as long as you've been alive. I also live near where a lot of those artists are from..

cause it honestly seems like some fake "gotta hate this mainstream ****" to me. if you can honestly break down why jay-z is not appealing to listen to but biggie is, i'm willing to listen. otherwise i think you are the type who is afraid to like popular ****.

I enjoy mainstream hiphop in the appropriate setting (bars/clubs, where they go with the atmosphere and make good background noise). TBH, since I joined MB I think I've become much more receptive to music I would have automatically shunned in the past. I might start to listen to it by choice eventually.

I hate the way JayZ sounds, just like I hate the way MF Doom sounds. It's simply a taste thing, and his **** now is blah compared to Dead Presidents. I actually disliked Nas for a long time also, not everything that is intelligent or clever is gonna appeal to my ear, just like I like some stuff that is stupid or for fun(Mac lethal, Watsky) I enjoy.

I'm open minded, and give almost anything a chance but I generally just do not appreciate the lyrics of mainstream rap. I never said it wasn't catchy, it just pales in comparison to what I think rap should/could be. For instance, I heard some song on the radio yesterday (I forget who it was) but they said "I got a trilogy, thats three stories" or something to the effect. I thought that was pretty clever for a radio jam.

Also, I listen to Rhianna, Nicki, Adele, One Republic, Imagine Dragons, Ed Sheron, and countless other mainstream artists. I just don't really like mainstream HipPop or whatever you want to call it. I like my rap 80s/90s style or some underground indie stuff. If you were ever in plug, you'd hear all the kinds of artists I listen to.

alright, just trying to feel you out. maybe i misjudged. it's just strange to me to like dmx for example but not jay-z. just that everybody i ever met who really respected the ability to spit lyrics might say so-and-so is overrated or overhyped but they wouldn't just say they're garbage... there's just some rappers where if you say that you sound like you don't know what you're talking about. it's kind of like calling mike tyson a pussy. he might not be the world's toughest man but you can't seriously call him a pussy.

I'm pretty brutal when it comes to my criticism of emcees, I've actually told Goofle this and admit it's something I should work on being less snooty about.

I don't see a problem with that, I'm super picky about hip-hop in general. Most everything I enjoy, hip hop wise, hails from the East Coast. All other **** kind of irritates me. I like very conscious rap with dope beats, not wannabe thugs. Nor pretty boy rappers with, I'll admit, good taste in fashion, but lack writing decent versus and opt for a hooky chorus. **** that ****.

I recently came to the conclusion that EL-P is better than both.

Cancer 4 Cure, and both RTJ are the extent of my El-P exposure. Let's just say he's a better MC in RTJ.

Agreed.

Disagree completely with that. Also, you have to listen to his first two albums, and Co-Flow.

Ja RTJ is definitely inferior to El-P's solo work in terms of lyricism. I think RTJ's beats are better than Company Flow's, but lyrically El-P's solo work is more personal and in depth than RTJ. RTJ is him having fun with Mike, the way I see it.

you don't like mobb deep, wu tang, etc?

The latter I bump all day son.

no mobb deep then?

Where did you get that from his post? :D

well he said he likes "conscious lyrics" and not "wannabe thugs."

to me, if i'm being honest, those groups don't fit his description. they usually rapped about the same wannabe thug **** that any modern mainstream rapper might get **** for. a lot of hip hop elitists are hypocritical and hyper-selective in a weird way.

Rather nit-picky to take that away from his post. But you make a fair point regarding elitism/double standards. I do see that quite a lot.

i didn't take it all from his post. a lot of it i assumed right off the bat from experience so i'm basically testing for consistency. basically his post didn't indicate that he had any sort of feelings about wu tang or mobb deep but i figured if i asked him he'd say yea they're dope. most east coast obsessed people would. in which case i can then ask how do you not consider what they rap about wanna be thug ****? i am really just bored and curious how people here think.

No, not much.

that's unfortunate.

MF doom when I first heard this song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6klNkwT3604


and like every song off Take Me To Your Leader is like a classic

so just off that album alone its a wrap hands down

Hey guys I'm tony highlife hazen... If you like hip hop and rap music you should check out my music page at tonyhazen.bandcamp.com

Yes, thank you. Maybe I'm just high, but it seems like people tend to ignore Take Me To Your Leader when mentioning Doom's greatness. Perhaps it's not as musically adventurous as some of his other projects but it's a damn solid album and I honestly enjoy the hell out of every single track. Around the time the Godzilla remake came out, Hulu put a ton of the old Godzilla/Geedorah/Monster Zero movies on streaming and I may or may not have watched a handful looking for some of the samples he used. :laughing: