The Official 'Ice Cube Doesn't Get The Credit He Deserves' Thread

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

They all get the props they deserve for being pioneers. The whole list of guys you rattled off are in the Hip Hop Hall of fame and get talked about all the time.

Ice Cube gets credited as one of the pioneers of gangsta rap. His name gets tossed around by the media in those top MCs of all time lists constantly.

What kind of bizarro world are you living in?

LOL

DJ I must be living in Never Never Never land because I have NEVER heard Krs One OR Ice Cube get the props they deserve.

Krs One complains ALL the time about this as well as Chuck D.

Krs One and Ice Cube have NEVER received any accolades or tributes for their contributions to Hip Hop neither has LL Cool J.

The media loves LL Cool J but he is never taken seriously for his works and contributions for hip hop.

Just because someone is talked about does not necessarily mean they are being recognized for their impact and influence.

Most of the time I always hear people hype Jay Z, Biggie, 2pac etc

NO ONE never talks about Krs One or Guru. I never heard anyone talk about the rappers of that era. No one never talks about LL's first two records that were very important to hip hop.


Where are these award shows and critics that are acknowledging what these rappers have done for hip hop?

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by realtalk92

Where are these award shows and critics that are acknowledging what these rappers have done for hip hop?

Why do you place so much emphasis on these?

Nobody seriously cares about music award shows.

Oh my God, Stereolab are not in the Rock n Roll hall of fame or got a grammy for inventing post rock. How dare they never get the credit they deserve.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Why do you place so much emphasis on these?

Nobody seriously cares about music award shows.

Oh my God, Stereolab are not in the Rock n Roll hall of fame or got a grammy for inventing post rock. How dare they never get the credit they deserve.

You're right awards are not everything.

I did also mention critics so I was not just placing emphasis on award shows specifically.

I have never seen a documentary or read a commentary in a music magazine that acknowledges the impact those rappers have had on Hip Hop.

[FRED HALE SR.]

Originally Posted by realtalk92

You're right awards are not everything.

I did also mention critics so I was not just placing emphasis on award shows specifically.

I have never seen a documentary or read a commentary in a music magazine that acknowledges the impact those rappers have had on Hip Hop.

NWA has received two lifetime achievement awards in the industry. You're not off base on Guru though, but thats the way Gangstarr wanted it, to be underground for life.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

NWA has received two lifetime achievement awards in the industry. You're not off base on Guru though, but thats the way Gangstarr wanted it, to be underground for life.

You're right.

I just think Ice Cube deserves more credit as a separate act.

It seems like Dr. Dre for instance gets more acknowledgement in general than Ice Cube as separate acts. I think he can get more acknowledgement as a songwriter outside of NWA. He has written for other rappers outside of NWA as a group as well as himself. I think he is a great writer.

I guess you are right about Gangstarr. I actually have heard rappers cite his importance to hip hop but the industry itself doesn't as much

[ataraxia]

Originally Posted by realtalk92

You're right awards are not everything.

I did also mention critics so I was not just placing emphasis on award shows specifically.

I have never seen a documentary or read a commentary in a music magazine that acknowledges the impact those rappers have had on Hip Hop.

I feel like im just repeating what DJ said but all it takes is a quick Google search with the words "Hip-Hop pioneers" and you will get tons of RECENT articles about some of the artists you mentioned. There is also tons of hip-hop/rap documentaries that credit those artists.

I have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Ice Cube. He is easily one of the most recognized pioneers of gangsta rap ASIDE from NWA.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by ataraxia

I feel like im just repeating what DJ said but all it takes is a quick Google search with the words "Hip-Hop pioneers" and you will get tons of RECENT articles about some of the artists you mentioned. There is also tons of hip-hop/rap documentaries that credit those artists.

I have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Ice Cube. He is easily one of the most recognized pioneers of gangsta rap ASIDE from NWA.

I often see rappers like Dr. Dre or Snoop Dog getting more credit that Ice Cube from that era and I find him to be more important than them.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by realtalk92

I often see rappers like Dr. Dre or Snoop Dog getting more credit that Ice Cube from that era and I find him to be more important than them.

More credit or they're just in the public eye more now?
I'm beginning to wonder if you know the difference.

Obviously Dr. Dre & Snoop Dog have a higher profile than Ice Cube in 2014. Dr. Dre has a hugely successful brand and has produced loads of big selling artists in the past decade. He's not still getting attention now just because he used to be in NWA.
Snoop Dog has become a personality rather than an artist. He's become of the most recognisable people in the genre, even my mum who's in her 60s and has no interest in hip hop at all knows who Snoop Dogg is, but you try finding me someone who's bought any of the records he's released since the mid 90s.

As for Ice Cube he hasn't really done anything to appeal to anyone outside of the fan base he already has since the early 90s and has had a few minor movie roles, so obviously the others get more attention now.

Tons of people have pointed out to you where Ice Cube gets the credit he's due but for some reason you seem think that people who had their best days over 20 years ago should be in the public eye today. It doesn't work like that.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

More credit or they're just in the public eye more now?

More credit.

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I'm beginning to wonder if you know the difference.

I know the difference

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Obviously Dr. Dre & Snoop Dog have a higher profile than Ice Cube in 2014. Dr. Dre has a hugely successful brand and has produced loads of big selling artists in the past decade. He's not still getting attention now just because he used to be in NWA.
Snoop Dog has become a personality rather than an artist. He's become of the most recognisable people in the genre, even my mum who's in her 60s and has no interest in hip hop at all knows who Snoop Dogg is, but you try finding me someone who's bought any of the records he's released since the mid 90s.

This has nothing to do with being in the public eye.

You make it seem like Snoop Dog and Dr. Dre are burning up the charts and are relevant and they are not. You make it seem like they are all over magazines, tv shows etc and they are not. Just because they are little bit more in the public eye than Ice cube does not mean they deserve more credit than him.

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

As for Ice Cube he hasn't really done anything to appeal to anyone outside of the fan base he already has since the early 90s and has had a few minor movie roles, so obviously the others get more attention now.

It doesnt matter if he has not done anything to appeal outside his fanbase. He deserves more credit for what he did for hip hop period.

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Tons of people have pointed out to you where Ice Cube gets the credit he's due

I never opened a Rolling Stones magazine and have read a commentary where they talk about the influence Ice Cube has had on Hip Hop. I have never saw a documentary about Hip Hop where Ice Cube is cited for what he did.


Janelle Monae won a break through award recently but that award does not change that she is still tremendously underrated overall within the industry.


Ice Cube deserves more credit than what he gets.

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

but for some reason you seem think that people who had their best days over 20 years ago should be in the public eye today. It doesn't work like that.

I think you are actually the one that does not know the difference. This has nothing to do with being in the public eye. The music industry overall does not like to acknowledge the past or past artists that have contributed to the industry.

I think it is important to acknowledge artists that have pioneered or impacted a genre so the younger generation can be exposed to those artists that paved the way.

A young kid who loves hip hop would probably think Jay Z has contributed more to Hip Hop than Ice Cube simply because the industry and media says so. They say he is the best, and has done this and that but he hasn't pioneered what Krs One did or has the same impact in my opinion. I just think it is important for people especially youth to be informed accurately.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by realtalk92

LOL

DJ I must be living in Never Never Never land because I have NEVER heard Krs One OR Ice Cube get the props they deserve.

Krs One complains ALL the time about this as well as Chuck D.

Krs One and Ice Cube have NEVER received any accolades or tributes for their contributions to Hip Hop neither has LL Cool J.

The media loves LL Cool J but he is never taken seriously for his works and contributions for hip hop.

Just because someone is talked about does not necessarily mean they are being recognized for their impact and influence.

Most of the time I always hear people hype Jay Z, Biggie, 2pac etc

NO ONE never talks about Krs One or Guru. I never heard anyone talk about the rappers of that era. No one never talks about LL's first two records that were very important to hip hop.


Where are these award shows and critics that are acknowledging what these rappers have done for hip hop?

Just because YOU have never seen them receive accolades and tributes doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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