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Old 02-18-2014, 12:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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NWA has received two lifetime achievement awards in the industry. You're not off base on Guru though, but thats the way Gangstarr wanted it, to be underground for life.

You're right.

I just think Ice Cube deserves more credit as a separate act.

It seems like Dr. Dre for instance gets more acknowledgement in general than Ice Cube as separate acts. I think he can get more acknowledgement as a songwriter outside of NWA. He has written for other rappers outside of NWA as a group as well as himself. I think he is a great writer.

I guess you are right about Gangstarr. I actually have heard rappers cite his importance to hip hop but the industry itself doesn't as much
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
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DJ I must be living in Never Never Never land because I have NEVER heard Krs One OR Ice Cube get the props they deserve.

Krs One complains ALL the time about this as well as Chuck D.

Krs One and Ice Cube have NEVER received any accolades or tributes for their contributions to Hip Hop neither has LL Cool J.

The media loves LL Cool J but he is never taken seriously for his works and contributions for hip hop.

Just because someone is talked about does not necessarily mean they are being recognized for their impact and influence.

Most of the time I always hear people hype Jay Z, Biggie, 2pac etc

NO ONE never talks about Krs One or Guru. I never heard anyone talk about the rappers of that era. No one never talks about LL's first two records that were very important to hip hop.


Where are these award shows and critics that are acknowledging what these rappers have done for hip hop?
Just because YOU have never seen them receive accolades and tributes doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Go ahead and look through each year.
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Old 02-18-2014, 07:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Just because YOU have never seen them receive accolades and tributes doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Hip Hop Honors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go ahead and look through each year.

Like I said awards are not the ONLY determining factor of this. Just like the number of Grammy's does not reflect whether or not an artist is good or bad.
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Like I said awards are not the ONLY determining factor of this. Just like the number of Grammy's does not reflect whether or not an artist is good or bad.
You said specifically that they weren't recognised and paid tribute to and now that I showed you they have. You are all "lol award shows don't matter".

Whatever.
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You're right awards are not everything.

I did also mention critics so I was not just placing emphasis on award shows specifically.

I have never seen a documentary or read a commentary in a music magazine that acknowledges the impact those rappers have had on Hip Hop.
I feel like im just repeating what DJ said but all it takes is a quick Google search with the words "Hip-Hop pioneers" and you will get tons of RECENT articles about some of the artists you mentioned. There is also tons of hip-hop/rap documentaries that credit those artists.

I have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Ice Cube. He is easily one of the most recognized pioneers of gangsta rap ASIDE from NWA.
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You said specifically that they weren't recognised and paid tribute to and now that I showed you they have. You are all "lol award shows don't matter".

Whatever.
I said awards are not the ONLY determining factor. Being recognized and being paid tribute to does not only have to be in a form of an award.
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I feel like im just repeating what DJ said but all it takes is a quick Google search with the words "Hip-Hop pioneers" and you will get tons of RECENT articles about some of the artists you mentioned. There is also tons of hip-hop/rap documentaries that credit those artists.

I have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Ice Cube. He is easily one of the most recognized pioneers of gangsta rap ASIDE from NWA.
I often see rappers like Dr. Dre or Snoop Dog getting more credit that Ice Cube from that era and I find him to be more important than them.
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I often see rappers like Dr. Dre or Snoop Dog getting more credit that Ice Cube from that era and I find him to be more important than them.
More credit or they're just in the public eye more now?
I'm beginning to wonder if you know the difference.

Obviously Dr. Dre & Snoop Dog have a higher profile than Ice Cube in 2014. Dr. Dre has a hugely successful brand and has produced loads of big selling artists in the past decade. He's not still getting attention now just because he used to be in NWA.
Snoop Dog has become a personality rather than an artist. He's become of the most recognisable people in the genre, even my mum who's in her 60s and has no interest in hip hop at all knows who Snoop Dogg is, but you try finding me someone who's bought any of the records he's released since the mid 90s.

As for Ice Cube he hasn't really done anything to appeal to anyone outside of the fan base he already has since the early 90s and has had a few minor movie roles, so obviously the others get more attention now.

Tons of people have pointed out to you where Ice Cube gets the credit he's due but for some reason you seem think that people who had their best days over 20 years ago should be in the public eye today. It doesn't work like that.
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Dre invested his money well. He became a big-time producer, he has his own line of headphones.. What would you expect? Everyone who knows NWA, knows that Ice Cube was the brains behind it, and his solo work is generally considered to be the best of any member of NWA.
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Cube is working on a new album and just was in a movie that raked up at the box office. He is in the public eye more nowadays.
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