Why is modern Hip-Hop music, aswell as mainstream pop so hated by people?
 

All I can say is just people are just disrecpectful. They don't respect other people's choice of music.

Currently I am a big fan of Hip-Hop Soul songs (mostly DJ Mustard produced songs like Paranoid, Na Na, Loyal, yadayadayada...).
On youtube, I see A BUNCH of comments like :

"This ni**a sucks b***s, listen to Tupac and (insert renowned 90s rappers here)"

"Hip-Hop is dead."

"Now music is all about sex, money, prostitutes, drugs, (anything related to hip-hop culture that are offensive to the general public). Where are the guys who rap real ??? (??? "Real" ???)

"This is why I listen to metal." (rare, but these are common on 9gag.)

Oh, not to mention the weird spellings that I can't even decode O.O

You guys might've already guessed that these guys are mostly people who listen to rock and people who listen to old school hip-hop.
No respect for other people's hobby and also becoming a conformism and what happened to listening to artists that you truly like instead of following the big crowd??



Now on to Pop music. Recently there's a new pop punk band which consists of four "pretty boys" : 5SOS
They sing songs that don't please my ear very much and irritates them more than Justin Bieber's voice and the songs offered to 1D :)
Despite that, I still respect these guys and don't post a hate comment on them. Just go check the comment to see if there's anything interesting.
Well, I stumbled upon these types of comments :

"Gaaaaaaay!!!!! These guys look like ***s with their dyed hair and piercings, (anything that looks quite feminine)"

"OMG WTF they copy 1D/modern boybands they suck so baaad."

First off, "gay" is not even a proper insult. Second, they are just a band who happens to go for the (nearly) same genre and again with this "The music in my era is the good music because I lived in it."


So, I want to ask you guys, why do SO many people are so rude and disrecpectful ??? If you hate it, then PLEASE don't comment rude things. No one forces you to like the same things as we do.

Well, first of all YouTube is where all trolls congregate. It's like the 2nd troll heaven after 4chan. It's a mix of people who really want a nice anonymous place to say all of the rude things they wouldn't say to people in person and people who just want to get people's goat and see if they can whip others into an emotional post for their own amusement.

But, even in spite of that. A lot of people hate rap music more and more because they feel it is hurting people on purpose just to make a buck. A lot of people like myself feel like Hip Hop was a diverse and beautiful culture that got standardized, bastardized and turned into a really boring and hurtful cartoon of its former self that reflects poorly on urban youth. I could go on but I'll stop myself.

Pop music is hated on because it's pop music and that's what it's there for. The pop music gets marketed to all the 13 year olds and makes a ton of money off of them. And then all other music gets marketed as anti-pop and makes a ton of money off of contrasting itself to pop music. That's how music is sold.

This. Never scroll down on a YouTube vid. It never ends well.

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Because we are deeply flawed.

I don't know why people can not have an opinion or express constructive criticism in music anymore. It is almost a crime nowadays to be opinionated in music.

Why can't people not like mainstream music simply because they don't like it? Why does it have to be some alternative motive with why someone does not like something? Everyone is not required to like the things you like or obligated to agree with the popular opinion.

It is called an opinion for a reason.

It seems nowadays people condemn those that have an unpopular opinion or speak their mind and I think that is sad.

If people want to express their opinion on something, whether it be good or negative than they are entitled to. If they are not trolling or being disrespectful, then there is really not a problem.

The people who complain about the people criticizing things about music are the ones I think are the problem because they try to censor and hinder people from expressing their opinion. It is okay for them to express theirs but it is not okay for others.

What kind of systematic is that? Makes no sense.

"Music wasn't like this in 2008. those were the good days, thumbs up if you agree"

Here is a better question, why don't you just accept some ppl think differently than you and go make yourself a sandwich?

ppl LOVE to be contrarians on the internet and alot of them fancy themselves to be expert music critics but really they are nothing more than opinionated ppl behind a monitor.

Good or bad comments shouldn't offend you just draw from them any validity they have and discard the rest but don't take them personal cause if you do you'll become vulnerable to them so just laugh them off and go on with your day.

It's okay if some people don't like it. I don't force people to like what I listen to but some people... especially rock fans are just a bunch of judgemental d***s.
They never learn to respect other people's choice of hobby and furthermore, they judge the whole person based on what they listen to.

I just argued with a person who's not a fan of mainstream music and I'm just TIRED of him/her insulting the music that I listen to.
That 9gagger constantly tells me that I have no idea what "talent" and that was the moment when he really got on my nerves.
No talent in pop music ? Is he retarded or just simply being an *******? How about harmonising and vocal talent? Isn't that talent?

The worst thing is that he puts out A BUNCH of musicians that has talent like classical pianists, violinists, rockers yadaydaydaya....
Guess what, I DON'T CARE! WHY CAN'T WE JUST LISTEN TO THE MUSIC THAT WE LIKE JUST BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY LIKE INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING A CROWD WHO SAYS THAT "MUSIC NEEDS "TALENT" TO BE LISTENED TO"

This is why I hate rock fans. Most of them can tolerate ANYTHING and always be *******. Do you REALLY need to say that you hate mainstream music?

Thank you for the suggestion. I wrote my last reply before reading so please excuse me.

Im a rock fan and i like hip hop and pop so don't bunch all of us rockers with that guy you mentioned.

I myself have a love/hate opinion on mainstream music, i despise some artist in it but others i like and would even defend.

But the hate of mainstream music is something that will never go away, i myself indulge in it from time to time but other times i couldn't care less.

i don't however search for videos from bands i dislike to post hateful comments about the band and their fans and alot of haters on youtube do that and at that point is not about a different of taste anymore, its about an assh*le claiming to have a superior taste.

Well said!

I should say mainstream hip-hop really suffered a drastic drop in quality since around 2006. Back then, 50 was probably the worst big rapper around, nowadays his early material is top-level compared to the stuff lots of current guys put out.

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This x100000000

john lennon also had "why don't we do it in the road" right

Why do people have to put down credible artists for these pop tarts?

I am not even a huge Beatles fan but just saying...

Not a big fan of both but... what???? Those lyrics are weird XD

Pretty sure the "not real music" rant is a modern phenomenon and didn't happen back in the 80s or even 90s. I don't remember a single person saying that during my youth.

Devil music? Bad influence? sure. But no one accused them of not producing real *insert genre here*.

It's kind of an old adage against more experimental artists. Back in 1902 (? Don't quote me on that date) Luigi Russulo premiered The Art of Noise and people were so upset by it 'not being real music' that a riot broke out. This happened at every one of his shows. A lot of John Cage's works, most notably 4'33" but also his tapeworks, were belittled as not being music either. Hell, even Bach was ridiculed by some critics as being to contrived and pointless to be music. Hip-hop was pretty different from the standards most people had for music at the time and some sucked up the new sound and others whined about the newest 'not music' in town.

Along with them whining about the newest not music. They also put on expiration date on the style saying that it is a new fad that won't last and will be going away soon. The same argument that people use whenever a new genre/sub genre pops up that they don't like.

Thanks, Frown. Interesting history there. So much for my claims.

The best way to put it...internet gangsters. The internet has given every tom, dick, and harry a platform to voice their opinion. This is a great thing of course but the downside to that is...every tom, dick, and harry has a platform to voice their opinion and a lot of it is ignorant shat...unfortunately. Like some of the other guys said, it's an opinion. Weed through the bs. If your interested in comment look for the ones that actually offer some value.

lol exactly.

Good alert for "BE AWARE OF SCROLLING DOWN" is video views. More views, the more stupid kids are sitting down there with uncensored comments.

Youtube is a cesspool for idiots and its not a fair representation of people overall.

Modern hiphop is hated because of nostalgia bias. They're forgetting that the 90's and 80's had lots of novelty acts and one-hit wonders that didn't work out well either.

And that most rappers back then rapped about weed and sex as well.

Sigh I'm in a writing mood. Personally I just think hip hop/rap has run its course as a commercial entity much like disco in the 70's and heavy metal in the 80's. They all started off as cool authentic forms of music, and then became soulless corporate pap, though I love disco to its end.


Hip Hop/Rap

Culturally:

The argument here of course is that the genre is riddled with shallow douche bags who rap about bitches, hoes, and bling. Yes this has always been a feature of gangster rap, but at least back then it had a sense of authenticity to it, it was fresh new & seen as a danger to middle class white America, though ironically it most likely negatively affected African American communities on a whole. (AKA the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton argument)

The problem with a music that becomes mass produced is that it becomes marketable to the lowest common denominator. There is nothing worse than seeing a kid act like a gangster in the Ford Mustang his daddy bought him.

Musically:

I think this is the primary reason why rap/hip hop is dying myself, and wonder if it will be able to survive as a cultural entity in the neighborhoods it originated in.

The death blow of course is the skyrocketing costs of sampling.

Rap music as an art form was always based around sampling a cool beat and looping it, but as young and upcoming rap artists can no longer afford to do this, more and more rappers are forced to create digitized techno beats, and because most do not know how to play the synth, it sounds horrible!!!

In short sampling a beat on average now goes for $10 grand, and if you don't pay up you'll most likely get sued if your a commercial success. That's just one sample. Think about how many samples are on a classic hip hop album like Dr. Dre's The Chronic, no young rapper can afford to do this!

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Well that's rap now pop.

Mainstream Pop

Culturally:

Although the face of pop music has defiantly changed for the better over the years, in terms of R & B its suffering from the same shallow douche bagginess that has been plaguing commercial hip hop. Know one wants to see a spoiled rich white kid like Miley Cyrus or Justin Beiber swearing on tv and acting like ****ing idiots.

Years ago people accepted the behavior of the likes 2 pac or Axl Rose because they had impoverished upbringings. They were outsiders coming into the mainstream. Now the pop world is filled with well established people acting like douches. If your in an underground music band, its actually cool to be well behaved because its not the mainstream. It was cool when Joe Strummer smashed his guitar, lame when Garth Brooks did it.

Musically:

The biggest issue with pop music today is sampling. Unlike upcoming rappers who can no longer afford to sample, non talent hacks with corporate backing can... and its killing music!

Sampling is a limited art form, because you are relying on the creativity of someone else to give you a pop hit instead of your own talent. The reason why Lady Gaga is so popular, (yes she uses samples to) is because she can actually write and play her own music.

Funny I use to thing sampling was awesome back in the days of Dr Dre & Massive Attack, but now its gotta die!

I don't understand why people always make this argument any time someone constructively criticizes a current artist. We get that every generation had their share of mediocre acts or bubble gum acts but there is an undeniable increase of them in today's mainstream compared to previous decades.

Bone thugs talked about weed and sex too but I would take them over somebody like Lil Wayne or Drake because at least there was some level of artistry behind it.

Blindly discredit those you don't like and everyone you do like is underrated. Every thread you post in.

For me, it is because it is due to the fact that rap music was originally about the issues of the minorities especially blacks. Of course most people believe that blacks are stupid and it is only confirmed by hip hop music.

Furthermore, corporations have raped the music and have turned into pussy ****ing ass licking train where songs are just about ****ing, ****ing, ****ing, ****ing and ****ing again.

But that is life.

I am not discrediting anybody.

I am just simply expressing my opinion and if you disagree with my opinion why not express why instead of complaining about why you don't like my opinion?

Excellent post

Sorry I didn't include the part of the quote where you said "Lil Wayne and Drake". I hate their music too but they are still rap artists. Thread after thread you discredit artists' creativity because you disagree with how they choose to make music and what the subject matter consists of.

Just about every song ever made has some level of artistry and creativity rather you appreciate it or not. I don't really see how your opinion matters. It's not an opinion argument. You seem to have this idea where if you say it's your opinion then it makes anything you say valid but sometimes discussions are actually based on facts.

A valid opinion of yours is that so-so didn't get the credit they deserve. - That's fine if you hold them in high regard and feel they deserve more recognition than they have received.

An invalid opinion is that certain artists are being creative and others are not - Music is art. Making music takes some level of creativity, regardless of what the quality of the end result is there is still thought put into. There is always some creative process behind it.

It's aggravating to constantly have this discussion with you because we generally agree on what constitutes quality music.

^ I am not sure why you feel this way when every time I express my opinion I always say "In my opinion"

You are right. Discussions can be based on facts which I do express as well but what does that have to do with this thread? lol

All of what you said above is based on your subjective opinions, not facts.

Mainly because of the purely superficial content of the lyrics. Modern day mainstream rap/hip hop has become very materialistic and braggadocious :\

I always wonder, why people say that music as a whole or some specific genre is dying.
Sure, there might be some decay of quality, when you pay attention to the charts, but why should you do this? The majority of people want some simple music to enjoy and party and that's fine with me. It doesn't necessarily make them stupid or superficial, they might just have other priorities.
But if one thinks, that because of this the genre is dying, then they don't put enough effort into research, which is actually made quite easy by the internet.
There is a quote by a german rapper, something along the lines of "Hip-Hop lives in the underground and dies in the charts."

I went to the lastFM Funk tag, and listened to some of the top artists. Compare the absolute first, Jamiroquai(never heard of that artist before), to the rest. I noticed it just has this ''poppy'' or ''mainstream'' sound in his voice, and little did I know, turns out he's popular, judging from the youtube views. What's with this? Do marketing people just know this exact sound of voice that appeals to a wide audience or something?. Then there's a few friends I have. I like Punk and Rock, and they listen to ''rock'' artists I either really dislike or hate. Breaking Benjamin, Panic! At the disco, Three Days Grace, Fall out Boy etc. I noticed how music appeals to them if it has this certain type of vocals I usually dislike, it seems. Is there this secret formula that makes things appeal to teenagers, and a wide audience in general or something? I'm still just trying to figure out what makes certain music liked by the mainstream, but other music that's accessable enough and just as well of a candidate not.

This happens in any genre of music it seems. Especially since hip-hop is relatively new compared to rock, country, etc. Some people just don't "get it." Which is fine. I have a different appreciation for hip-hop since I work at a studio where 90% of our clients are hip-hop artists. I see the work that goes into it. Many hip-hop artists are very professional and serious about their music. Sure, I wish everyone could see that, but some people are stubborn and like to hate on things that are different from what they like. Haters are lame, but who cares. They like what they like, and I like what I like. That's all there is to it. I will keep supporting hip-hop and the hip-hop/rap community regardless of what people say, because I believe in it and I believe in self-expression. Criticism is one thing, but I only take criticism from working professionals or people with experience in what they are criticizing. Unfortunately, some people just like to be haters, even if they don't quite understand what they are hating on. Everyone does it in some way or another.

I think the best way to defend modern hip hop and rap to a bunch of music geeks is to give up some examples of good modern music we can check out. I listen to a lot of rap and I find I almost exclusively listen to Rap from the 80's and 90's because that was the heydey, when the good and powerful stuff was being made. Now, for me, the most interesting rap and hip-hop seems to be getting made in other countries. The only newer US artists I've been able to really get into have been Lizzo, Big Freedia and Freddy Gibbs. Drake is boring, and I don't get Kanye at all. Who, especially on the Rap side of things, is really showing the goods these days? Gimme some examples or I'm going back to my Wu-Tang records. (Currently listening to Ghostface - Iron Man. Slammin'!)

Billy Woods, Run the Jewels, Dark Time Sunshine, Death Grips (love or hate band), Homeboy Sandman, and Dälek (early 2000s but modern enough) are all great in my book. Also El-P's Cancer 4 Cure is his best album, IMO.

Thanks man - I will report back.