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Soulflower 02-27-2015 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1557794)

Great Post!

Janszoon 02-27-2015 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1557790)
Regardless, it's pretty obvious that he's a legend at this point.

I think he's still too new to be considered a legend. Time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1557790)
He's been by far the biggest influence in Hip Hop since the mid to late 90's.

In the 21st century you're most likily right. Not in the 90s though.

Soulflower 02-27-2015 07:03 AM

I really think Kanye is a very mean person. It was really nasty what he did to Beck.

One of these days he is going to interrupt the wrong person and get slapped upside the head

Frownland 02-27-2015 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1557799)
You really think Kanye is THAT great? Lol

I don't see it...

Please enlighten me.

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. I didn't say anything about his music, I simply said that he really did do quite a bit in innovating how musicians market themselves. That can be a good or a bad thing, but he still forwarded that in his own unique way with his grandoise and asshole persona. Look back at the Grammy's. Who got the most attention about the album of the year award? Not Beck, not Beyonce, but Kanye West who wasn't even in the running for the award. He knows what makes people tick and how to spark discussion/memes; that's genius marketing.

As for the rest I was pointing out how legendary and innovative are not synonyms as you seem to think so. Since you'll probably demand evidence in an attempt to skirt the question, here you go:

So first Goofle says:

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1557790)
Regardless, it's pretty obvious that he's a legend at this point.

He's been by far the biggest influence in Hip Hop since the mid to late 90's.

And in some misaligned attempt to disprove Gooflesh you say.

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Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1557791)
What has Kanye innovated?

Innovation and influence are not synonymous. They can be, but it's certainly not the case with all artistry. Look at the film The Magnificent Seven. It was based off of Seven Samurai and took its entire story from it and made it its own. The Magnificent Seven is considered a quintessential classic in the film industry, which would be similar to calling an artist legendary in the music world. But it stole it's ENTIRE plot, how can it be influential? Well that's because it helped set a standard in the industry for an entire different field within it than what it borrowed from (from Asian cinema to Western). Even then there were people bah humbugging about the film as pretentious similar to how people whine and moan about Kanye's arrogance (which I think is really just a facade, refer back to the marketing).

This shit going on like a broken record.

Soulflower 02-27-2015 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1557807)
Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. I didn't say anything about his music, I simply said that he really did do quite a bit in innovating how musicians market themselves. That can be a good or a bad thing, but he still forwarded that in his own unique way with his grandoise and asshole persona. Look back at the Grammy's. Who got the most attention about the album of the year award? Not Beck, not Beyonce, but Kanye West who wasn't even in the running for the award. He knows what makes people tick and how to spark discussion/memes; that's genius marketing.

I don't think what he is doing is anything "new." There have been arrogant musicians before him but I think his antics are beyond arrogant at this point. I think he has some personal issues that have not been resolved.

Beyonce did also get attention. I think the Carters are well aware of Kanye's antics and I also believe they reinforce the nonsense.

They all are a bunch of narcissistic bullies the way they embarrassed Beck like that. That was HIS moment to shine.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1557807)
As for the rest I was pointing out how legendary and innovative are not synonyms as you seem to think so. Since you'll probably demand evidence in an attempt to skirt the question, here you go:

So first Goofle says:



And in some misaligned attempt to disprove Gooflesh you say.

I was not disapproving. I was interested in reading his opinions.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1557807)
Innovation and influence are not synonymous. They can be, but it's certainly not the case with all artistry. Look at the film The Magnificent Seven. It was based off of Seven Samurai and took its entire story from it and made it its own. The Magnificent Seven is considered a quintessential classic in the film industry, which would be similar to calling an artist legendary in the music world. But it stole it's ENTIRE plot, how can it be influential? Well that's because it helped set a standard in the industry for an entire different field within it than what it borrowed from (from Asian cinema to Western). Even then there were people bah humbugging about the film as pretentious similar to how people whine and moan about Kanye's arrogance (which I think is really just a facade, refer back to the marketing).

This shit going on like a broken record.

I never said innovation or influence were the same dear.

Goofle 02-27-2015 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1557802)
In the 21st century you're most likily right. Not in the 90s though.

Lets say after 1997. I can't think of anyone who has had more impact in the genre in the mainstream, even seeping into the underground.

DwnWthVwls 02-27-2015 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1557816)
Lets say after 1997. I can't think of anyone who has had more impact in the genre in the mainstream, even seeping into the underground.


Eminem and Dre > Kanye until like '04ish(?).

Cuthbert 02-27-2015 08:57 AM

Outkast maybe.

Soulflower 02-27-2015 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeytennis (Post 1557833)
Outkast maybe.

Agree

FRED HALE SR. 02-27-2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1557787)
Legendarily overrated for sure.

+1 If his skill on the mic was anywhere near the grandiose *******/I'm God/Genius persona, I think he would be a legend. Unfortunately his skill on the mic is a 3/10 and his ******* persona is a 11/10. I can't fathom how he became famous, he literally bores me on a level of Pitbull. Thats mainstream music for you though, make a pretty video, and rhyme horribly and people eat that **** up.


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