Kendrick Lamar - DAMN - Album Discussion

**Goofle** · 04-18-2017, 12:43 AM

We call them n00b h0ppers.

Lucem Ferre · 04-18-2017, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

We call them n00b h0ppers.

The first step is admitting it. I don't know any of the other steps though.

djchameleon · 04-18-2017, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Oh, using that trap flow, I can get how that's kind of riding a trend, but the trap flow is dope. Plus, it came from the underground.

Underground where exactly? In a recent interview, TI pretty much said he created Trap Music and the sound that is popular today. No one was talking about trap music or had that flow really before his second album.

Lucem Ferre · 04-18-2017, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Underground where exactly? In a recent interview, TI pretty much said he created Trap Music and the sound that is popular today. No one was talking about trap music or had that flow really before his second album.

Uhhhhhhh 36 Mafia? I mean, the sound was actually invented by Outcast according to hip hop historians, probably why people keep comparing Kendrick to Andre 3000 on this album. But it had been around before T.I. he just put a name to it.

Edit: Yeah, 36 Mafia used that flow back in the 90s, so did Project Born. And from what I understand there is a lot of influence in modern trap flows that also comes from Bone Thugs N Harmony.

Edit Again: Wow, I just realized that ICP used the trap flow before T.I. too.

**Frownland** · 04-18-2017, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I liked the beats, they didn't bore me. Hell, you like Death Grips, boring ass printer noise to me most the time.

Printer noise is a lot more interesting than flat and tepid beats.

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What isn't cliche at this point? Calling **** cliche is cliche. It's like the easiest cop out. And, again, most rappers I know you listen to use cliche flows.

So you dig cliched music, that's fine. I fault things for that. When you say artists I like, I'm guessing you're referring to RTJ right? They usually make up for it with interesting beats, something you will fail to find on this album if you hired a private detective. You're right that cliches aren't inherently bad and are sometimes used often for a good reason. This is not one of those times.

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You actually did. Using "conventional" and "mainstream" to describe his flow. Which implies *gasp* that you hate it because it's popular. And poppy means *gasp* popular. and your little pseudo definition is just a pretentious way of saying that you dislike it because it's popular. Anytime somebody jumps on a band wagon it's always "they are sacrificing their integrity!" like you understand their integrity. It's pretentious douches that are ironically trying to tell artists what art should be. Kendrick Lamar probably did exactly what he wanted to do as an artist. And to me, somebody who listens to both sides of the hip hop spectrum because I don't bias my ears, this **** is unconventional and weird. Other than the flow, which hasn't changed much from any of his albums, I don't hear much **** like this anywhere.

I only said that in the face of you pretending that Kendrick was being innovative here. That's not to mention that I know he can do way better, so this album comes off as pretty lazy when it sounds like it could have been canned and sold to another artist for an equally mediocre record. If you don't consider giving up ambitious ideas in favour of dull pop songs (objective btw) to be sacrificing artistic integrity, well maybe you just don't understand what I mean by that phrase. Above all this record just varies from tricking me into thinking it might be a good album (DNA.) to terrible to offensively meh. 1 good track means that I rate it 1/14. Come away with that.

EDIT: Listening again now. Still think DNA is a banger. Still a lot of plain horrible tracks. I like his rapping on FEEL but why do they have to do that thing where they make the beat as boring as possible? That Rihanna track needs to find its way off the album. Pride just kind of happens, doesn't reach the level of offensively dull, it's just dull. The beat on Humble is a little more exciting, but his rapping sounds really forced here. Lust - why does he sing like that? Why? You get the idea, I'm turning this **** off.

Mindfulness · 04-18-2017, 12:42 PM

djchameleon · 04-18-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Uhhhhhhh 36 Mafia? I mean, the sound was actually invented by Outcast according to hip hop historians, probably why people keep comparing Kendrick to Andre 3000 on this album. But it had been around before T.I. he just put a name to it.

Edit: Yeah, 36 Mafia used that flow back in the 90s, so did Project Born. And from what I understand there is a lot of influence in modern trap flows that also comes from Bone Thugs N Harmony.

Edit Again: Wow, I just realized that ICP used the trap flow before T.I. too.

36 Mafia is crunk and there was Outkast but Trap Music as a package didn't exist. Lyrical content and flow that has lead to what it is today. Gucci Mane and Jeezy closely followed TI.

Bone Thugs N Harmony doesn't have a southern trap sound. They influenced mid west rappers and the drakes and childish gambino types that rap/sing on the same track.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 04-18-2017, 02:14 PM

three 6 mafia you uncultured twats

stylize it right

~~Cuthbert~~ · 04-18-2017, 03:14 PM

Can a mod merge this thread with the Kendrick thread or something?

**Exo** · 04-18-2017, 03:24 PM

I think you people are capable of keeping talk in here of the album and talk of Kendrick in general in the other thread. Merging after 23 pages would be a little chaotic.

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