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Halpert · 06-14-2010, 09:30 PM

What makes them good?

TheCunningStunt · 06-14-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Halpert

What makes them good?

The Beatles, the first band to really break the mould? The first band to add depth into their music, John Lennon's voice, Paul McCartney's ability as a songwriter. The list goes on.

Led Zeppelin, if you appreciate rock and roll then you'll know.

**Janszoon** · 06-14-2010, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

The Beatles, the first band to really break the mould?

^Ridiculous claims like this are exactly the reason why people grow to hate the Beatles instead of being merely ambivalent about them.

TheCunningStunt · 06-14-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

^Ridiculous claims like this are exactly the reason why people grow to hate the Beatles instead of being merely ambivalent about them.

It's the general consensus, almost a cliché because of how widely used "The Beatles were the first" is. But a cliché is a cliché because there's some truth there. Around Rubber Soul/Revolver their ability as musicians and songwriters was great. They obviously changed music and for people to mention them in this thread is a bit of a joke. Overrated/Underrated bands thread - yes. This thread, no.

**Janszoon** · 06-14-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

It's the general consensus, almost a cliché because of how widely used "The Beatles were the first" is. But a cliché is a cliché because there's some truth there. Around Rubber Soul/Revolver their ability as musicians and songwriters was great. They obviously changed music and for people to mention them in this thread is a bit of a joke. Overrated/Underrated bands thread - yes. This thread, no.

Well, I think they kind of suck. Like I mentioned before I wouldn't really think much about it except for the fact that people insist on making silly claims like "they were the first band to break the mould", as if no one ever did anything innovative in the entire history of music before they came along. As a result they fit well in both the "suck" and the "overrated" threads.

TheCunningStunt · 06-14-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Well, I think they kind of suck. Like I mentioned before I wouldn't really think much about it except for the fact that people insist on making silly claims like "they were the first band to break the mould", as if no one ever did anything innovative in the entire history of music before they came along. As a result they fit well in both the "suck" and the "overrated" threads.

I think they were the first band to really break the mould, in terms of success, raising the bar and the actual sounds. I dunno how you can't listen to Revolver and not think that it's ground breaking. I'm obviously a massive Beatles fan but I can't stand Beatle fans that have a go at anyone for disliking the band, like it's some sin. But to say they suck is just ridiculous IMO. Overrated? Not for me, but sure.. If you want.

**Janszoon** · 06-14-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

I think they were the first band to really break the mould, in terms of success, raising the bar and the actual sounds.

What does that even mean? Do you not think other people were successful or raised the bar or made actual sounds before them?

~~telepicker~~ · 07-20-2010, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Well, I think they kind of suck. Like I mentioned before I wouldn't really think much about it except for the fact that people insist on making silly claims like "they were the first band to break the mould", as if no one ever did anything innovative in the entire history of music before they came along. As a result they fit well in both the "suck" and the "overrated" threads.

You can think that...but the truth is, before the Beatles, popular music was in an absolute SUCK phase; Elvis in the Army...Buddy, Richie, and JP in that plane...Jerry Lee hiding with his 13-y.o. Cousin/wife in shame...Little Richard headed back to the pulpit...

By 1962, people were back to listening to records of "How Much Is that Doggie In the Window" that sounded like they were recorded over the phone.

Not only did the Beatles change the way music was WRITTEN (taking it out if the hands of the record companies and instilling the ORIGINAL D.I.Y. Ethic) but the way it was recorded in the studio and listened to it at home.

I can guarantee that if you listen to music that is not European classical or opera, American jazz or blues, or Eastern/Drone/Raga...that is, if a band you like puts out an album (CD or download for ignorant youth), and it has the lyrics printed inside, and/or a Producer credit, then it has roots that lead directly to the Beatles.

Then again, I just saw that you are from Philadelphia (I can't think of a single decent band from the Philly area)...the same city that boos Santa Claus...I remember Michael Irvin getting booed after he was wheeled off the turf of the Vet...those moronic Philly fans even booed Donovan McNabb when he got drafted, and are now talking smack on him now that he's gone.

People from Philly must have a genetic retardation inherent to the region...

Maybe it's the water?

gunnels · 07-20-2010, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by telepicker

You can think that...but the truth is, before the Beatles, popular music was in an absolute SUCK phase; Elvis in the Army...Buddy, Richie, and JP in that plane...Jerry Lee hiding with his 13-y.o. Cousin/wife in shame...Little Richard headed back to the pulpit...

By 1962, people were back to listening to records of "How Much Is that Doggie In the Window" that sounded like they were recorded over the phone.

Not only did the Beatles change the way music was WRITTEN (taking it out if the hands of the record companies and instilling the ORIGINAL D.I.Y. Ethic) but the way it was recorded in the studio and listened to it at home.

I can guarantee that if you listen to music that is not European classical or opera, American jazz or blues, or Eastern/Drone/Raga...that is, if a band you like puts out an album (CD or download for ignorant youth), and it has the lyrics printed inside, and/or a Producer credit, then it has roots that lead directly to the Beatles.

Then again, I just saw that you are from Philadelphia (I can't think of a single decent band from the Philly area)...the same city that boos Santa Claus...I remember Michael Irvin getting booed after he was wheeled off the turf of the Vet...those moronic Philly fans even booed Donovan McNabb when he got drafted, and are now talking smack on him now that he's gone.

People from Philly must have a genetic retardation inherent to the region...

Maybe it's the water?

I want to archive this ridiculousness in my signature, but it's too big. =\

**Janszoon** · 07-20-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by telepicker

You can think that...but the truth is, before the Beatles, popular music was in an absolute SUCK phase; Elvis in the Army...Buddy, Richie, and JP in that plane...Jerry Lee hiding with his 13-y.o. Cousin/wife in shame...Little Richard headed back to the pulpit...

By 1962, people were back to listening to records of "How Much Is that Doggie In the Window" that sounded like they were recorded over the phone.

Not only did the Beatles change the way music was WRITTEN (taking it out if the hands of the record companies and instilling the ORIGINAL D.I.Y. Ethic) but the way it was recorded in the studio and listened to it at home.

I can guarantee that if you listen to music that is not European classical or opera, American jazz or blues, or Eastern/Drone/Raga...that is, if a band you like puts out an album (CD or download for ignorant youth), and it has the lyrics printed inside, and/or a Producer credit, then it has roots that lead directly to the Beatles.

Then again, I just saw that you are from Philadelphia (I can't think of a single decent band from the Philly area)...the same city that boos Santa Claus...I remember Michael Irvin getting booed after he was wheeled off the turf of the Vet...those moronic Philly fans even booed Donovan McNabb when he got drafted, and are now talking smack on him now that he's gone.

People from Philly must have a genetic retardation inherent to the region...

Maybe it's the water?

LOL. Let me start off by saying I've only lived in Philly for a couple years so trying to insult me by dissing the city I live in isn't going to have the desired effect. Nice try.

I would say, though, that a number of things about your post call your knowledge of music into question. The top two for me are the fact that you seem to think nothing worthwhile was happening with music in the early 60s and that you "can't think of a single decent band from the Philly area" despite the city's legendary place in the history of soul music, not to mention its currently thriving music scenes.

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