Shawn Smut

Beck, hendrix, vaughn, clapton, brian setzer.

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boo boo

I misspelled entirety.

But yeah, Rusty Cooley is a whole new level of wankage. I downloaded his s/t album from a fan who tried to convince me of his greatness. Being a good sport I listened to it.

But damn if it wasn't the most unmusical thing I have ever heard. Every song sounded exactly the same, and overall it was 50 minutes of squeals and beeps.

Basically it was Metal Machine Music with arpeggios.

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SweetSamBlues

Once again boo-boo, you have missed my point. i'm not saying that people who read music perfectly dont play with emotion. I'm saying that no matter how well they read, they will never be able to sound exactly like certain guitarist/other (such as Gilmore or Santana). The tone is in the fingers. And its tone that seperates guitarists like that from everybody else. Thats why guys that read perfect are usually unknown and hillbilly guys who couldnt read Dr. Suess become internationally known and respected. That is what makes a great guitarists, thier TONE. Not thier ability. I have a strat and can play SRV and Gilmour, but i cant SOUND like them. No matter how close i get my electronics/effects like thiers. NO ONE CAN.

boo boo

That has a lot more to do with players using different techniques and having different set amounts of skill than playing with emotion. And of course using different equipment.

Really? And all this time I thought it was in the guitar, pickups, amps and effects pedals.

In other words having a better guitar and a better stomp box makes you a better guitarist, I understand everything clearly now.

This is because they have a mutual understanding of music, they may not know everything about theory, but they know the basics of it.

I never said reading sheet music was a requirement either, I for one read tabs, which leaves more room for improvisation.

So, if I were just to strum a random amount of poorly executed notes it wouldn't matter as long as I have an expensive top quality guitar?

I don't like to patronize, but in this case I can't help myself. You have a lot to learn about music.

Probably because you can't afford a good strat. They had the money to get better equipment, therefor they have greater tone variety. Either that or you're not as good as you claim to be. Because what SRV and Gilmour play is not very complicated at all.

You must suck at programing your effects pedals then. Because there are many who have perfectly emulated SRVs tone, and his playing for that matter.

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SweetSamBlues

Sorry, but you are just utterly wrong.
NO ONE CAN SOUND LIKE THEM.
They can get close, but not perfect.
FYI, I have a '68 Strat that sounds pretty amazing.
Experts will tell you that tone IS in the fingers, not the equipment.
Maybe you should pick up a Guitar World mag. They actually had an issue devoted completely to the world's fifty greatest tones. ( In the lead up to the article, THEY conveyed that tone WAS in the fingers)
Many guitarists can get the tone they want from any kind of equipment.
That is why experts believe the tone is in the fingers.
It is an unexplained phenomenon. (I'm sure you could explain it though, right i.e equipment)?
By this perspective, my fingers have more music in them than your entire pedal board
And who are these "many" that have perfectly emulated SRVs tone?
Apparently, YOU have a lt to learn about music.
(Maybe you should lay off the sautering kit that "perfectly emulates tone" and focus instead on the music itself)

boo boo

You need to observe the prog and blues scenes more carefully, theres a fair amount of guys who can ape SRV and Gilmour very convincingly.

In fact, listen to Steve Rothery of Marillion, he's basically David Gilmour No. 2.

If a guitar has a bad tone, no matter how I play it, its gonna have a bad tone, the tone is in the instrument, any music theorist will tell you thats common sense.

Yeah, those are the guys whose opinions really matter. The same guys who listed Smells Like Teen Spirit as the 26th best guitar solo of all time. Above Machine Gun, Sweet Child O'Mine, While My Guitar Gently Weeps and Since I've Been Loving You.

Not any tone they want, but they can indeed change tones with different picking and fretting techniques, the types of plectrums or tools like the E-Bow or the Jellyfish. But thats all about technique, nothing to do with emotion.

Ok, refute scientific fact. The standard guitar tone comes from the vibration of the strings and how it resonates depending on the type of body shape, neck, pickups and amplification, if me or you simply pluck a string on the same instrument with the same equipment, it will produce the same exact tone. We only trigger the execution of the tone, we don't produce it ourselfs. Thats what musical instruments are for in the first place.

You really are a pretentious one. You must write for Pitchfork.

Theres a good deal of modern blues players who base every aspect of their technique on SRVs, I shouldn't have to name drop for you to realise this.

I don't even have an effects pedal for my electric guitar, and I play my accoustic guitar more than my electric one anywho.

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joyboyo53

YouTube - SRV Interview

does this help?

YouTube - Stevie Ray Vaughan - Little Wing

and here srv does sound like hendrix if not better there


.... imho

SweetSamBlues

boo-boo,
I must say that i admire you. You brought forth good points, and I can definitley see the logic behind your thinking. And i DO believe that what kind of rig you have affects the tone.
Still...I stand strong behind my opinion.
I still believe that real tone is in the fingers.
Scientifically (i guess), I would say this has to do with a number of things. Not so much HOW you play, but how your FINGERS play. Such as:
-The thickness of your fingers
-The thickness of your skin
-The texture of your skin
-The length of your finger (determining what part of your
finger plays which string)

These are just some of the things that I thought could change tone. It would have effect on the muddiness/darkness/brightness/etc...
Then again, maybe I am wrong. Maybe I am wrong and right.

anticipation

conventional thinking tells us that this is impossible.





everything you have said post-thus is now considered invalid by the scientific community as a whole.








good day to you sir.

SweetSamBlues

Who said music was about conventional thinking? Or the scientific community? How come all the guitar players on this site are Bill Nye fans? Since when were musicians supposed to be so straight foward and bound by conventional thinking? Especially guitarists.