How many genres? (blues, metal, rock, classic, quote)

Sound Devastation · 08-15-2007, 03:52 AM

There are so many more genres around now, because metal has diversified so much.. some genres which now play a big part have only emerged in the past 5 years or so. 'post-metal' for example didnt really exist before Neurosis' Sun That Never Sets / Isis' Oceanic... but its now a useful term to describe hundreds of bands.

There are huge differences in sounds.. Khanate sound nothing like Dragonforce for example, and its unlikely that anyone will enjoy listening to both.. but theyre both referred to as 'metal'... genres make it easier to find something you may like.

Another point is that the big influences are disappearing.. 10 years or so ago, almost every metal band was directly influenced by Slayer/Metallica/Sabbath/floyd.. although alot of bands still are, There are far more now who are influenced by a more varied selection of later bands... the metal bands i know barely listen to any of the above... they're influences are from bands like Botch, Neurosis, Carcass, Earth, Electric Wizard etc who all took metal a step further... and the new bands are taking it further again.

Seltzer · 08-15-2007, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgd85

i hear you jackhammer. as i have said before "genres lead to ignorance". although i see the advantage of genres from time to time, in general they tend to just make people closeminded to something. i just like music

Well to be honest, I see that as their loss and not as a reason to eschew subgenres. I listen to a HELL of a lot of music but I think subgenres are useful. My metal folder on my computer is divided into:

Black
Death
Doom/Gothic
Folk/Viking
Heavy/Alt
Industrial
Metalcore/Nu
Power/Symphonic
Prog/Experimental
Thrash

Post-metal goes into my post rock/metal folder which is given equal status with rock, metal, jazz etc.

I do break some subgenres up further - death is broken up into blackened, melodic, technical and brutal/grind. Notice that melodic death is actually a subgenre of death, whereas blackened death is a combination of black and death (bands like Behemoth, Abominator etc.).

But before anyone goes ahead and says that's ridiculous, they have to remember it's not ridiculous to someone who knows these genres well, and has 170 GB of metal alone. A stoner doom band is a universe away from a funeral doom band.

Sound Devastation · 08-15-2007, 06:55 AM

^^ agreed. i only have about 30gb of mp3s at the mo, divided into:

post-rock & shoegaze
indie & folk
avant-garde & noise
black & doom
crust & grind
sludge & post-metal
emo & post-hardcore
SD releases

Genres only couse problems when people dont know what they're talking about.

joyboyo53 · 08-15-2007, 07:32 AM

don't get me wrong, i will still use genres to describe something to someone i don't think will close their ears once i say 'indie' or 'electronica' or 'classical'.

the first thing i do when i d/l a new album is strip the genre tag. my itunes has a total of 0 genres

jackhammer · 08-15-2007, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzak

for the songs, I cant upload them now but I can provide alternative means of listening to them

YouTube - KAMELOT - The Haunting
MySpace.com - WORMED - ES - Death Metal / Experimental / Metal - www.myspace.com/wormed

thanks for the links

Kamelot-talk about cheese! That was awful commercial twaddle.

Wormed-give me Carcass anyday!

You see I would'nt call Kamelot (sic) metal at all. Just commercial rock.

boo boo · 08-15-2007, 01:57 PM

Categories and genres are important. When you have a solid classification system, you can get a clear understanding of what kind of music you like and what kind of bands to look for.

But nowadays its gotten a little out of hand, with a bunch of kids thinking that it's necessary to come up with a new genre for every band in existence. Hence the 12 billion metal sub-genres there are now.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-15-2007, 02:18 PM

If it wasn't for metal kids getting their knickers in a twist over sub-sub-sub genres ,we wouldn't have such amusing threads as this one...

http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...tml#post346462

I think it becomes apparent after a few posts that they are either making this up as they go along or they have no idea what the hell they are talking about.

Sound Devastation · 08-15-2007, 02:34 PM

i disagree. its an interesting discussion.. they all know their fair bit but The Unfan and Riseagainst obviously know most about the (well established) genre.

boo boo · 08-15-2007, 02:42 PM

Funeral Doom?

My my my. They can't even come up with names that don't sound completely ridiculous anymore.

Sound Devastation · 08-15-2007, 03:01 PM

Funeral Doom has been around for years!

'Funeral Doom bands' [doom-metal.com]

1000 Funerals

AHAB
Amaranthine Trampler
Asunder
Austerity

Before The Coruscating Apollyon
Believe in Nothing
Beprasmybe
Beyond Black Void
Bosque

Celestiial
Colosseum
Comatose Vigil
Consummatum Est
Craving, The

Dark Abyss
Despond
Dictator
Dionysian
DOOM:VS
Doomcide
DoomSquirrel
DoomThrone
Dusk Ov Shadows

Ea
Eleventh Room, the
Endymion
Enoch
Ethereal, the
EtonéDicius

Fragments Of Duration
Funeral
Funeral Orchestra, the
Funeralium
Funerary Dirge
Fungoid Stream

Grívf

Hierophant
Hymn Of Lament
Hyponic

I Drowned In A Stream Of Mourn
Iniquitous
Intaglio
Inter Arbores
Iota Draconis

Kairi

Lacrymae Rerum
Lake Of Depression
Liquescent Horror, The
Longing For Dawn
Lord Grief
Lux Incerta

Maiden Voyage
MausoleuM
Midwinter Storm
Misery
Monolithe
Mournful Congregation
Mørkheim

Nepenthean
Night Must Fall
Night Of Suicide
Nortt

Of Darkness
Oktor

Pantheist

Qabr
Quasar

Reclusiam
Reido
Remembrance
Rigor Sardonicous

Sad Sun, The
Senthil
Serenity Forgotten
Shape Of Despair
Sinistra
Skepticism
Solicide
Stabat Mater

Tears Of A Mourning Angel
Thergothon
This Empty Vessel
Through the Valley
TOMB
Torture Wheel
Tragedy Eternal
Tyranny

Unholy Cross
Until Death Overtakes Me

Whelm
Wind Through The Trees
Witchthrone
Wormphlegm
Worship
Wraith Of The Ropes

08-15-2007, 03:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
Sound Devastation Music Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 728	There are so many more genres around now, because metal has diversified so much.. some genres which now play a big part have only emerged in the past 5 years or so. 'post-metal' for example didnt really exist before Neurosis' Sun That Never Sets / Isis' Oceanic... but its now a useful term to describe hundreds of bands. There are huge differences in sounds.. Khanate sound nothing like Dragonforce for example, and its unlikely that anyone will enjoy listening to both.. but theyre both referred to as 'metal'... genres make it easier to find something you may like. Another point is that the big influences are disappearing.. 10 years or so ago, almost every metal band was directly influenced by Slayer/Metallica/Sabbath/floyd.. although alot of bands still are, There are far more now who are influenced by a more varied selection of later bands... the metal bands i know barely listen to any of the above... they're influences are from bands like Botch, Neurosis, Carcass, Earth, Electric Wizard etc who all took metal a step further... and the new bands are taking it further again. __________________ Out soon... AMENRA - Mass III 2xLP [stunning vinyl release of the belgian sludgecore giants epic 06 album] FALL OF EFRAFA - Owsla & Elil CD&LP [British crust/doom/post-metal band Fall of Efrafa deliver part two (Elil) on their dark conceptual trilogy. Part one (Owsla) will also be re-released for the first time in the UK] *** visit... Sound Devastation Records website**

08-15-2007, 06:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
Sound Devastation Music Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 728	^^ agreed. i only have about 30gb of mp3s at the mo, divided into: post-rock & shoegaze indie & folk avant-garde & noise black & doom crust & grind sludge & post-metal emo & post-hardcore SD releases Genres only couse problems when people dont know what they're talking about. __________________ Out soon... AMENRA - Mass III 2xLP [stunning vinyl release of the belgian sludgecore giants epic 06 album] FALL OF EFRAFA - Owsla & Elil CD&LP [British crust/doom/post-metal band Fall of Efrafa deliver part two (Elil) on their dark conceptual trilogy. Part one (Owsla) will also be re-released for the first time in the UK] *** visit... Sound Devastation Records website**

08-15-2007, 02:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	If it wasn't for metal kids getting their knickers in a twist over sub-sub-sub genres ,we wouldn't have such amusing threads as this one... http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...tml#post346462 I think it becomes apparent after a few posts that they are either making this up as they go along or they have no idea what the hell they are talking about. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

08-15-2007, 02:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
Sound Devastation Music Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 728	i disagree. its an interesting discussion.. they all know their fair bit but The Unfan and Riseagainst obviously know most about the (well established) genre. __________________ Out soon... AMENRA - Mass III 2xLP [stunning vinyl release of the belgian sludgecore giants epic 06 album] FALL OF EFRAFA - Owsla & Elil CD&LP [British crust/doom/post-metal band Fall of Efrafa deliver part two (Elil) on their dark conceptual trilogy. Part one (Owsla) will also be re-released for the first time in the UK] *** visit... Sound Devastation Records website**

08-15-2007, 03:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
Sound Devastation Music Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 728	Funeral Doom has been around for years! 'Funeral Doom bands' [doom-metal.com] 1000 Funerals AHAB Amaranthine Trampler Asunder Austerity Before The Coruscating Apollyon Believe in Nothing Beprasmybe Beyond Black Void Bosque Celestiial Colosseum Comatose Vigil Consummatum Est Craving, The Dark Abyss Despond Dictator Dionysian DOOM:VS Doomcide DoomSquirrel DoomThrone Dusk Ov Shadows Ea Eleventh Room, the Endymion Enoch Ethereal, the EtonéDicius Fragments Of Duration Funeral Funeral Orchestra, the Funeralium Funerary Dirge Fungoid Stream Grívf Hierophant Hymn Of Lament Hyponic I Drowned In A Stream Of Mourn Iniquitous Intaglio Inter Arbores Iota Draconis Kairi Lacrymae Rerum Lake Of Depression Liquescent Horror, The Longing For Dawn Lord Grief Lux Incerta Maiden Voyage MausoleuM Midwinter Storm Misery Monolithe Mournful Congregation Mørkheim Nepenthean Night Must Fall Night Of Suicide Nortt Of Darkness Oktor Pantheist Qabr Quasar Reclusiam Reido Remembrance Rigor Sardonicous Sad Sun, The Senthil Serenity Forgotten Shape Of Despair Sinistra Skepticism Solicide Stabat Mater Tears Of A Mourning Angel Thergothon This Empty Vessel Through the Valley TOMB Torture Wheel Tragedy Eternal Tyranny Unholy Cross Until Death Overtakes Me Whelm Wind Through The Trees Witchthrone Wormphlegm Worship Wraith Of The Ropes __________________ Out soon... AMENRA - Mass III 2xLP [stunning vinyl release of the belgian sludgecore giants epic 06 album] FALL OF EFRAFA - Owsla & Elil CD&LP [British crust/doom/post-metal band Fall of Efrafa deliver part two (Elil) on their dark conceptual trilogy. Part one (Owsla) will also be re-released for the first time in the UK] *** visit... Sound Devastation Records website**

08-15-2007, 07:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
joyboyo53 down the rabbit hole Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: the mountain called monkey Posts: 764	don't get me wrong, i will still use genres to describe something to someone i don't think will close their ears once i say 'indie' or 'electronica' or 'classical'. the first thing i do when i d/l a new album is strip the genre tag. my itunes has a total of 0 genres