Once Plant can sing something as beautifully as Joey sings Baby I Love You I'll give him credit, until then he can suck it.

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I'm sure JimmyPageZoSo56 is very unbiased.

Since I've Been Loving You.

JimmyPageZoSo56 was the not the only person there.

no srry thats wrong.

Yeah. I'm sorry. It was wrong of me to list just that song. Theres many others I could have mentioned too.

You know. Since you said you were going to stop the Zep trolling, I was thinking of not bashing Modest Mouse anymore. Oh well, so much for that.

Right sorry back to the subject on hand. They're the same chords and I fail to see how it isn't very plausible Jimmy Page lifted them. Dazed and Confused, Communication Breakdown, Hats Off To Roy Harper, How Many More Times, etc. Zeppelin have a history of saying songs are there own when they weren't and stealing riffs and lyrics frequently. Hell, Since I've Been Loving You took it's lyrics from Never by Moby Grape. They aren't the most moral musicians are they?

Musicians use the same chord progressions all the time. So unless Spirit has a f*cking patent on that your argument is full of sh*t.


Hats Off is one of Zeppelins worst songs, and that and Black Mountain Side were the only really blatant ripoffs.

The riff in Breakdown is a homage to Eddie Cochrans Nervious Breakdown. But its by no means the same riff. How Many More Times only stole lyrics. And I don't know how many times I have to say it that Zeppelin are not known for their great lyrics anyway.

Lyrics yes. Riffs no.

So Rock N Roll is supposed to be moral now is it?

Look. I know about the damn song. Zeppelin actually asked the band if they could use that chrod progression, but Pages version of that riff came out totally different. Its not the same riff. No one listening to Taurus is gonna think "omg this is stairway to heaven, oh wait no its not".

Zeppelin played blues music. A genre so generic that the same chords were used over and over all the time.

"Zeppelin has a blues song with a chord that sounds kinda similar to a chord in another blues song, never mind that most blues songs are generic and always use the same chord progressions, 0mfg Z3pp3l1n ar3 r1p 0ffs, th3y b3 t3h sux0rz!!!!111!!!".

And me and ethan called truce on the Zeppelin thing, so just stfu and gtfo Bungalowbill.

Should I Stay or Should I Go?

Thats all you got? Almost?

Many blues artists use the exact same chord progressions and all you got is almost? Does it even matter that the two don't actually sound the same at all?

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It's not a matter of opinion. The chord progressions are nearly indistinguishable.

Really bad comparison.

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If you showed me an entirely black Fender Stratocaster of yours, black pickguard, black everything, and I picked up my own Fender Stratocaster that was also black all over, but had one white tone knob, and I said that I felt they were completely different, would I be right? Obviously not.

REALLY bad comparison.

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Unless you're delving into deep philosophy or whatever, there are some things in this world that just aren't subject to opinion

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Like the fact you're an obnoxious douche who states things as being factual when they're not?

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An Am-G-Dm-Am chord progression and an Am-G-D-Am chord progression are not completely different.

You just don't get it. ITS NOT DIFFERENT WHEN ITS NOT THE SAME KEY AND THE SAME NOTES.

Look up that chord progression or any other, you will find many other songs that use that progression.

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The intro of "Stairway To Heaven" and the intro to "Taurus" are not completely different.

Aside from those few chords, they are. It's hardly that similar at all, let alone similar enough to cry plagiarism.

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And for the love of God, rock and roll being rooted in a style of music that generally followed a very standard formula does not excuse plagiarism. End of.

Sure it does. Your precious punk and indie bands steal all the time.

Lets keep this friendly everyone.

It seems to be trendy to hate Led Zeppelin nowdays, i dont know why.
Back to topic anyway.
Iron Maiden - Quest For Fire. A bum note on an otherwise flawless album, Piece Of Mind.

Some people hate good music with a passion.

Blashphemy!!!!!
You should be shot, sir. :nono:

Remind me to kick your arse later, Ethan.
However, The Ramones pwn.

Actually, I didn't really see many similarities to it at all.
Even Petty said himself, that he didn't think they got anything from em'.

(And yes, I have just now found this thread, so pardon my repetitive posts.)

Zeppelin argument is ****in' hilarious. But of course we all know, Zep > Ramones.
The Ramones may rock, but not like Jimmy ****in' Page, and Robert Plant.

dude, double quote. But srsly, can all the led zeppelin stuff stop, it's not going to go anywhere.

Stairway To Heaven

Oh shit sorry I mean My Doorbell by the White Stripes.

That song irritated the crap outta me.

The chord progressions for both are very similar, but it's such a common chord progression, so I wouldn't assume RHCP ripped off Tom Petty . I mean it's 3 chords and they're common chords. And it's not as if it had such a complex rhythm that it couldn't be coincidental.

we stole this riff
from tim buckleeeeeeey

That would explain the near lawsuit...

Fair point. You also left out the similar massive success. One of the more obnoxious things is that, we all know it was stolen, so why put both at the top of "classic" rock charts? I don't get it. You can't turn on a ****ing radio stateside without hearing one of those songs, and god help me if they play them back to back one more ****ing time.

And same point with their general success and album chart position. All zeppelin cd's just play like a greatest hits of the era, no? Is the Crunge not James Brown? I think so.

I wonder why there aren't more Taurusrulz and TaurusStu names here? Same god damned thing in my opinon.

But I can't agree with the Zeppelin haters 10 fold. Why constantly rehash that you hate Led Zeppelin because their thieves? We know they are, we've established that. To continuously mention it would be like constantly bashing other bands you don't like, say for example, I don't know U2. Can you imagine if people jsut went around slagging them all day? I'd go out of my ****ing mind.

Or conversely because as Mill said, we should review all options here, if people constantly praised some god awful hackney artist because it was hipster-ironic to do so. I cannot imagine a world in which people and the music press at large just jumped on every new bandwagon that came along. If you go riffling through the bargain bin theres too much there that thankfully was never touted, like the strokes, or bloc party. If the store is destitute enough, maybe they thought it was once wise to purchase the kaiser chiefs. But I'm well over the line, we know no one even in bizzaro land, no one likes them. The point is folks, we certainly can't have a music industry or fan base that jumps all over the next big thing, we need to stick with blindly praising old artists that "left their mark, took it up another level, and changed everything" because if we don't, we might be forced to get our own opinions.

I think the lawsuit might have been instigated by Tom Petty's record company or something, but I'm not sure. Regardless, I don't think it had much to do with the man himself. In fact, I don't think anyone made a big deal about it until that radio station played them back to back to compare them and blew it out of proportion. Even then, I've heard they sped one up in order to compare them, but they probably failed to mention that.


Don't worry, I was just commenting on it since it was brought up and I had nothing better to contribute.

They didn't speed one up, I've heard the comparison and listened to the originals later. Not only is the music very similar but so are the lyrical themes. People can argue they're not the same or plagiarized or whatever, but they are very similar.

A huge portion of RHCP's songs are about sex and women, as is Dani California. And Dani California is a recurring them throughout Californication and By the Way as well. This song is simply continuing the theme.

As for Mary Jane's Last Dance, that might not even be about women - knowing Tom Petty and the Mary Jane reference, there's a good chance that it's about drugs. Even if it is about women, that is such a common lyrical theme in rock that I wouldn't split hairs over it.

They are sort of similar in lyrical style (both ballad-like), but if you ask me, that chord progression is suggestive of a ballad. Ballads fit that progression/rhythm perfectly.

I really don't understand why you'd even argue against them being similar, they are. Even if the song is a giant metaphor with drugs, it still deals with similar imagery of a troubled girl.

I'm not saying they aren't similar - I'm just saying I don't think it was ripped off.

With the hundreds of thousands of millions of artists out there, you are going to have plenty of similarities. John Fogerty almost got sued for alledgedly stealing a riff from his OWN damn song, back when he was in CCR. The record label tried to sue him or something, about writing a song similar to one off a CCR album. How dumb is that?

I wrote a paper once on that same occurrence. Cymbaline is supposedly an amalgamate of all of Shakespeare's other plays and so I wrote a play for my final year in the English program about Shakespeare on trial in the same vein as Fogerty.

I like Led Zeppelin. Houses of the Holy was playing when I got my first blow job. And no, I did not grow up in the 70s.

Depending on your company it IS trendy to hate certain bands. It was really, really trendy to hate Green Day for awhile... I'm glad that died down.

I think Revolution 9 is horrible.

Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9.

worst song
 

Metallica has done some bad **** in the past decade, but what really pissed me off was "Mama Said" on Load. I sorta gave em a chance up until that point.

Changes by Black Sabbath hurts to listen to as well

I actually liked the Ice Cream Man by Van Halen I didn't think it was there worse song, I hate Sammy Hager, alot of people liked him I hated his voice and everything about him, I didn't like Montrose either I just never liked Sammy Hager I liked David Lee Roth, he was more of a rocker then Sammy he made the band all dance music and all that crap for that I miss the old Van Halen back when they would do Really Got Me now they were rocking then.

sammy hagar sucks
and is equal to fail.
No one likes him.

....he made his first post bashing Metallica. I can tell we wont get off to a very nice start. *pulls out his assault rifle*

Bark at the moon- ozzy osbourne

Something is wrong with you, did you just bash metallica and black sabbath on your first post? (screw your assault rifle! *pulls out a grenade*)

Let's look at Metallica's two biggest albums in the past ten years: Loaded and St. Anger, I think it's fair to call it "bad shit." and I don't like Sabbath so I've never heard 'Changes' but I have heard negative comments about it by Sabbath fans before so I'd say that's also a fair comment. It's not like he insulted Paranoid or Ride the Lightning, just one Sabbath song and a few recent Metallica albums and I've never heard any 'true' Metallica fan praise their recent output.

I hated the Metallica cover of Bob Seger's- Turn the page

Forget the grenade, let's hijack a damn plane from some Al Queda airline.
I enjoyed St. Anger, while I also think it completely pales in comparison to the rest of their material.
I enjoyed the 90's era quite a bit with them.
Best album in my opinion......S&M.....droolworthy.

the whole tyr album by black sabbath.

b-b-b-a-a-uhhhm

yes master....

but i agree metallica's newest Stuff is bad ****. thier old stuff is pure gold...

LOL
Never Say Die album by Black Sabbath
Horrible album, by one of my favourite bands.