Music Banter - Tool vs Nickelback

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Originally Posted by Seltzer (Post 427188)

Having a wide range of influences doesn't mean anything if your music is generic and your songs rip off each other (Nickelback). And I don't know how you've reduced Tool's influences to 2 bands anyway... I believe they're also influenced by Faith No More, Jane's Addiction, Black Sabbath, Meshuggah, the Melvins and Pink Floyd. And even then, bands often only list influences which apply to the majority of the band... Danny Carey himself has obviously been influenced by Indian percussion, jazz drummers etc.

Yes, King Crimson is a huge influence on them... And here's what Robert Fripp from Crimson had to say about Tool. "I happen to be a Tool fan. The members of Tool have been generous enough to suggest that Crimson has been an influence on them. Adam Jones asked me if I could detect it in their music, and I said I couldn’t. I can detect more Tool influence in King Crimson, than I can hear King Crimson in Tool." Pretty generous, coming from Fripp...

Now that we've made it past the influences part which isn't even particularly relevant, Tool is better IMO. I like the band a lot, I hate their fanbase. All their albums are good, and Lateralus is brilliant. Danny Carey is one of the greatest rock/metal drummers ever. Jones is a good guitarist and Justin Chancellor is a pretty decent bassist (even if he does use a pick... just joking :D ). Maynard is a great vocalist and frankly, his lyrics are brilliant.

I fail to see how Tool isn't timeless when they've already influenced a legion of musicians/bands, have a huge fanbase and quite simply, have a very original sound.

Don't even get me started on Nickelback...

I fail to see how you can claim Nickelback just make the same generic song over and over again. The hits might be suspiciously similar, but what about the rest of the songs on their albums? Nickelback are renowned for reinventing themselves time and time again - they are the Michael Boltons of Post-Grunge. Check out the albums and you'll see what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 427192)

Hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you ****ing rule!

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 427184)

I didn't say having a fanbase is commercial. I pointed out that Tool (and bands with a similar message) are catering to a large sub-culture that empathize with those particular, generally hackneyed and cliched ideas.

Yeah, Jungian psychology, transcendence, evolution...such hackneyed concepts in modern music.

God, I don't even know why I'm doing this. Would appear that you need not the slightest bit of assistance in making yourself look like a complete fucking buffoon.

TOOL
Not sure if this is a real question.

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 427195)

Course, I didn't say hackneyed in modern music. But rather, had obviously intended hackneyed in popular culture. But don't let the the truth stand in your way ;).

Seriously, I understand that it may be hard to accept that Tool are part of a lucrative money-making market, but don't let that fuel your anger. Temper it, like Maynard did on Lateralus ;).

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 427208)

Course, I didn't say hackneyed in modern music. But rather, had obviously intended hackneyed in popular culture.

Oh FFS, who cares? Popular culture, modern music, either way, Jungian psychology isn't exactly hackneyed.

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Seriously, I understand that it may be hard to accept that Tool are part of a lucrative money-making market.

Every band signed to a major label is, but that doesn't mean every band signed to a major label is commercial (unless you're using a different definition of the word than I).

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 427214)

Oh FFS, who cares? Popular culture, modern music, either way, Jungian psychology isn't exactly hackneyed.

Why are we focusing on the hackneyed cliched part anyway? There was no attempt to claim that EVERY topic Tool cover and all of their themes and motifs are overused (though a lot of them are indeed just that). The overriding point was that their general direction leans towards catering for the audience of a certain well-known sub-section of popular culture.

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 427214)

Every band signed to a major label is, but that doesn't mean every band signed to a major label is commercial (unless you're using a different definition of the word than I).

No, I wouldn't say that every band signed to a major label is necessarily commercial. I feel that Tool in particular are a good example of a commercial band, in that they sell themselves through exploiting the opportunities offered by the existence of a particular audience.

How can it be claimed that Tool are not commercial? They're among the most notorious acts for their exceedingly strong and effective marketing ploys. They practically built up their image and cult-like following single-handedly. Maynard, Carey and co. are in many ways geniuses.

Perhaps the misunderstanding lies partly in the idea that I'm using this to slate them. I'm not. I don't think being commercial is necessarily/automatically some sort of bad, evil, devilish thing. But DENYING that a band of Tool's calibre are commercial is simply ludicrous.

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Is he serious? I truly CAN'T tell. Odd

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Originally Posted by tkpb938 (Post 427248)

Is he serious? I truly CAN'T tell. Odd

This is not the pertinent question. The point is that Chad Kroeger is deadly, deadly serious, and as such must be afforded the utmost attention.

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This is not the pertinent question. The point is that Chad Kroeger is deadly, deadly serious, and as such must be afforded the utmost attention.

Lolz :)