mr dave

hahaha just like the last time you split my post you're closing comments lose focus and direction. whatever.

i'm not trying to change anyone's view on nirvana. i'm trying to get you to look at them from a business persons perspective. you're still looking at them from a music fan's direction.

yes every band had a junkie. was every band centered around the junkie?

yeah i misspoke in the high school friend thing. but it's usually the kind of relationship that exists between a small town label and it's money bands. someone from the local money band had a friend in high school who was good in business and who's willing to start a label to help them out. voila, band that's already making money in town with a 'from high school' relationship with their label head.

you're telling me to do research on this topic then asking about layne stayley being a junkie??? he effing died like 6 years ago from an overdose. and jerry cantrell CAN sing.

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sleepy jack

Um, the two examples I listed of junkies being in a band were both about the frontmen being junkie. I understand if you're trying see this from a business perspective but frankly your arguments are illogical and nonsensical since they're based on statements that you either pulled out of your ass or are just very misinformed on.

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Mark Arm - Lead vocalist , guitarist & songwriter
Tad - Lead vocalist , guitarist & songwriter
Mark Lanegan - Did virtually everything
Cobain - Ditto
Andrew Wood - Vocalist , guitarist & songwriter
Layne Staley - Vocalist , Songwriter

I'd say that's a resounding yes

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mr dave

nice edit to cover your knowledge haha

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sleepy jack

I don't pay attention to Alice in Chains and seeing as I've gone on a recent digging into my local scene I've been watching documentaries like mad most of which are old ones on grunge. The most recent one I watched while Stanley was still alive and they were talking about him retreating from the music scene and not knowing where he is. I know he's dead (he died on April 5th just like Cobain did a pretty commonly known fun fact) but wasn't exactly thinking when I typed that because I had that in mind. Point remains your argument is based on you making things up/misconceptions.

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mr dave

no. most on my argument is based on the idea that people go into business to make money and nirvana really never looked like money until smells like teen spirit. i know they have to front like the money doesn't come first but there's no such thing as a successful business that doesn't generate revenue. that's why i'm not touching my personal tastes or feelings for nirvana into this offshoot from the main topic. i like how you went personal first

and none of the band UH listed aside from alice in chains even came close to generating the return nirvana did. how long did those bands last on major labels? did they all manage to release a full length before getting dropped?

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Doesn't matter how much they returned or how long they lasted because that wasn't your point. You said would a record company take risks of bands centered around junkies as 6 of the most popular bands from that movement were i'd say it's a yes.

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sleepy jack

It's pretty unfair to compare to a band's earnings to Nirvana don't you think? Kurt Cobain is one of the top earning dead celebrities, it's pretty unfair to compare most very successful artist's earning to his. Andrew Wood died when Mother Love Bone was just about to make it big. Mark Lanegan is still making music and while he's managed to stay under the mainstream's radar he's achieve quite a bit of critical acclaim. You know what I'm not going to talk about how much each of them has achieved that truly is irrelevant.

The point remains they were all in leading grunge bands and all did drugs and labels still took them. Which pretty much defeats your point that all grunge bands signed before Nirvana were "safe" because they were clean.

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mr dave

k - how long they lasted isn't relevant. but when did they all get signed to the major labels? before or after the rush? once nirvana hit big heroin was in vogue all over the place, even fashion models had to look strung out. having a junkie in the band became a selling point. flannel shirts sold for $100s you know this as well as i do.

pearl jam and soundgarden already had major label releases by the time nirvana signed to geffen. the safer bands had been signed, only the junkies were left.

when it's about business it's ALL about earnings. mother love bone was supposed to be big because guns n' roses was. i saw mark lanegan's last show with the queens of the stone age - he kicked ass. my other question still remains. WHEN did the other junkie bands get signed?

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Urban Hat€monger ?

I thought your arguement was about Sub Pop signing them as junkies in which case all of them were signed before Nevermind came out.

Unless you've changed your argument?

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