The Official Nirvana/Kurt Cobain Thread (lyrics, alternative, fan, guitarist)

ShadowSurfer · 04-25-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone Magnet

They made the grunge scene popular.

No, MTV and the suits in the record labels made the grunge scene popular. Nirvana was just one tool in their box to accomplish that. They were all betting on Mudhoney, but Nirvana exploded.

but it was all calculated by MTV and the suits at the label. It was Nirvana, but they were banking ona few Seattle bands to explode the grunge scene, it just turned out that NIrvana was it. But they had a few they were pushing at the time in en affort to make grunge the new trend, which they ultimately did accomplish.

explosions-in-my-pants · 04-25-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer

Ya, I think he knew what he was getting into, because Kurt Cobain was not a stupid individual. He was not a dummy. He knew what he was doing when he signed with Geffen, he was inking a major label deal, something his punk rock ethics supposedly made him against. how against signing with a major was he?

not very - he signed the deal. he knew that made him a sell-out to his punk rocker freinds. They all thought he sucked for doing that, and he knew it.

He had no way of predicting the mania that erupted around them, but that was dying off by 1994, they were no longer as big as they were in 1991. It was waning and the band was actually broken up when Kurt died. Nirvana wasnt even a band anymore by march 1994. They begrudgingly finished their In Utero tour in 94, with lot sof cancellations. And Krist has confirmed the band split up after the tour, and Dave was already doing new material and planning a new band at the time.

when Kurt died, he wasnt in Nirvana. Nirvana was over. he was done.

i'm not saying that kurt was a dummy by any means.Signing a big record label does not make them a sell out. I know kurt or anyone in the band or there friends they had before the band went big had any clue about how popular they would get. But he had to have known that they would have recieved some form of popuality through music video's and radio air-play. they didn't sell out and kurt was a good writer, but him knowing what he was getting into, no that makes no sense, cause clearly he did not or he wouldn't have went with such a big label after seeing what labels have done to other bands in the past, is he a dunmmy? no i think not.. did he do dumb things? yes he did.. for what reason? god knows. dig him up and ask him...

sleepy jack · 04-25-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by explosions-in-my-pants

dig him up and ask him...

Probaly the best post in any cobain related thread ever.

ShadowSurfer · 04-25-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by explosions-in-my-pants

i'm not saying that kurt was a dummy by any means.Signing a big record label does not make them a sell out. I know kurt or anyone in the band or there friends they had before the band went big had any clue about how popular they would get. But he had to have known that they would have recieved some form of popuality through music video's and radio air-play. they didn't sell out and kurt was a good writer, but him knowing what he was getting into, no that makes no sense, cause clearly he did not or he wouldn't have went with such a big label after seeing what labels have done to other bands in the past, is he a dunmmy? no i think not.. did he do dumb things? yes he did.. for what reason? god knows. dig him up and ask him...

Kurt knew what he was doing. His freinds, like Tobi Vail, all thought he was a sell-out for signign with Geffen, and Kurt coiuld barely face them, after he spent years touting the punk rock ethic with and around them for so long, "Ill never sign with a major, thats so sell-out!" that was so un-punk rock.

when Kurt signed to a major, he lost every freind in the punk rock community he hung with. It was a major no - no thing to do, and he did it anyway.

Sure he sold out.

explosions-in-my-pants · 04-25-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer

Kurt knew what he was doing. His freinds, like Tobi Vail, all thought he was a sell-out for signign with Geffen, and Kurt coiuld barely face them, after he spent years touting the punk rock ethic with and around them for so long, "Ill never sign with a major, thats so sell-out!" that was so un-punk rock.

when Kurt signed to a major, he lost every freind in the punk rock community he hung with. It was a major no - no thing to do, and he did it anyway.

Sure he sold out.

*cough* i'm out of things to say... i dare not over says things again

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sleepy jack · 04-25-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer

Kurt knew what he was doing. His freinds, like Tobi Vail, all thought he was a sell-out for signign with Geffen, and Kurt coiuld barely face them, after he spent years touting the punk rock ethic with and around them for so long, "Ill never sign with a major, thats so sell-out!" that was so un-punk rock.

when Kurt signed to a major, he lost every freind in the punk rock community he hung with. It was a major no - no thing to do, and he did it anyway.

Sure he sold out.

I've noticed when you argue, you say stuff thats kind of contrary to alot of what i've heard/read and you never post actual proof. If you're going to say something ridiculous, at least back it up. Cause it kind of seems like you're pulling this whole arguement out of your ass.

ShadowSurfer · 04-25-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

I've noticed when you argue, you say stuff thats kind of contrary to alot of what i've heard/read and you never post actual proof. If you're going to say something ridiculous, at least back it up. Cause it kind of seems like you're pulling this whole arguement out of your ass.

its well documented. Ask Tobi Vail. Ask tracy Merander. Ask Alice Wheeler. Ask all the peolpe who knew him before he was famous.

he said he would never sign to a major, that it wasnt punk rock. He spouted that crap for years.

then he singned with a major.

tdoc210 · 04-25-2006, 07:49 PM

we have anirvan thread..search for it hmm? yeah actually lets not and just nevr post anything to do with this band again..yah i love em but look all do is argue and argue and argue

explosions-in-my-pants · 04-25-2006, 07:58 PM

hey your posting again?

i like that this thread was made and that boo boo and bill never showed up so that the little bit of debating started and ended fast and without fighting.

swim · 04-25-2006, 08:00 PM

Can we make a basic grammar education thread?

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explosions-in-my-pants angel of tragic days Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 924	hey your posting again? i like that this thread was made and that boo boo and bill never showed up so that the little bit of debating started and ended fast and without fighting.