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Old 05-18-2008, 02:51 AM   #31 (permalink)
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So do i to be honest, i love his drunken slurring.
What that tells me is that neither you nor sweet_nothing appreciate or even respect what was good about I Am The Walrus in the first place! Lennon's quirky and idiosyncratic, disturbing, ominous, sinister, brooding depiction of a schizophrenic nightmare... ripped out, chewed up, and spat out as an Oasis cookie-cutter staple. A bastardization if ever there was one...
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Old 05-18-2008, 02:56 AM   #32 (permalink)
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ripped out, chewed up, and spat out as an Oasis cookie-cutter staple. A bastardization if ever there was one
^ I don't entirely agree with this...

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Lennon's quirky and idiosyncratic, disturbing, ominous, sinister, brooding depiction of a schizophrenic nightmare...
...but that ^ is a great description of I am the Walrus.
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:07 AM   #33 (permalink)
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It is but its fairly inaccurate seeing as I Am the Walrus was just Lennon making fun of Dylan.
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:09 AM   #34 (permalink)
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It is but its fairly inaccurate seeing as I Am the Walrus was just Lennon making fun of Dylan.
Is that true?
If it is, that's even more interesting than Rainard's take.
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:13 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Yeah it was him trying to write Subterranean Homesick Blues style, the lyrics are intentionally nonsense only the chorus has some slight-meaning to it because its a Through the Looking-Glass reference.
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It is but its fairly inaccurate seeing as I Am the Walrus was just Lennon making fun of Dylan.
The intent of the song was not "making fun of Dylan", it was attempting to write obscure like Dylan was. Even if there were elements of parody, that was not the sole intent of the song at all. Some of the lyrics were written on various acid trips and whatever the writer's vision was, the effect is a menacing schizophrenic nightmare in sound.

Lennon was very proud of I Am The Walrus and considered it one of his most innovative efforts. Due to this he was extremely pissed off and in disbelief when McCartney's Hello Goodbye was made an A-side single, with I Am The Walrus as the B-side.
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Only the first two lines were written on acid trips most of it were admittedly nonsense and even the opening lines are a play on an old folk song. It's completely a parody on Dylan's lyrics at the time which were frankly 90% rubbish and I'm sure as an excellent lyricist himself John was fully aware Dylan's lyrics we're written for the sake of being written and didn't have any sort of meaning behind it.
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Only the first two lines were written on acid trips most of it were admittedly nonsense and even the opening lines are a play on an old folk song. It's completely a parody on Dylan's lyrics at the time which were frankly 90% rubbish and I'm sure as an excellent lyricist himself John was fully aware Dylan's lyrics we're written for the sake of being written and didn't have any sort of meaning behind it.
Doubtless, the lyrics are meaningless. The imagery though I'm sure is inspired by hallucinations and whatnot, in spite of the meaninglessness.

BTW just what was Dylan's stuff of the time? I'm unfamiliar with late 60s Dylan, I know him from the 60s mostly for Blonde On Blonde and Return to...
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What that tells me is that neither you nor sweet_nothing appreciate or even respect what was good about I Am The Walrus in the first place! Lennon's quirky and idiosyncratic, disturbing, ominous, sinister, brooding depiction of a schizophrenic nightmare... ripped out, chewed up, and spat out as an Oasis cookie-cutter staple. A bastardization if ever there was one...
Of course i appreciate and respect that song, i just respect the other version more. Its one of the rare moments (i think anyway) that Oasis seemed to be having any fun on record. Fact is I Am The Walrus is a lot more fun than you have it made out, and Oasis stayed true to that.
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Its one of the rare moments (i think anyway) that Oasis seemed to be having any fun on record.
We talking about the same band? Oasis was always having fun!
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