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Old 07-23-2009, 08:06 PM   #571 (permalink)
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Why shouldn't Bo Diddley be up there?
Because he doesn't look like this.



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Old 07-23-2009, 08:17 PM   #572 (permalink)
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Can I say I love you for the inclusion of Billy Zoom? One of the most underrated guitarists ever right there.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:20 PM   #573 (permalink)
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Anyway, I think Petrucci's technical ability is rather overstated, playing fast and all over the place is not the only factor in technical chops, a great understanding of melodicism and the ability to apply your skills in a tasteful way is also a big part of it.

Take even less technically skilled guitarists into consideration, like Gilmour or Santana for example. To do so much with so few notes isn't as easy as people make it out to be, it takes a great understanding of melody and structure. Gilmour and Santana could do more with 4 notes than Petrucci can do with 100.

There's a lot of great technnical players out there, and a lot who also know the difference between showing off their ability in a creative and tasteful way, and just plain wanking a whole song to death.

Petrucci is not one of those players, I've never heard him do anything that he didn't run into the ground with tiresome guitar gymnastics. I'd say he's ridiculously high as it is and that mainly has to do with his influence in the shred guitar wanking community.

Compare Petrucci to most other prog guitarists. Like Robert Fripp, Steve Howe, Andy Latimer, Jan Akkerman and Steve Hackett. Sure they liked to show off and play really complex, over the top stuff. But they also knew how to craft melody and suit a song perfectly, as well as not steal all the spotlight from the other band members. They could also play catchy riffs or really simple, beautiful parts when they needed to. I have yet to hear Petrucci prove himself capable of doing such a thing.

Then again, Petrucci is far from being a progressive guitarist, I quite hate it when people refer to him as such, he's a generic metal shredder in a so called prog band, that's it. I think it's just plain idiotic when people claim he's better than Gilmour and Page. But when people try and put him on the same plain as Robert Fripp, I just find it offensive, Petrucci is an insult to everything that prog rock is supposed to be about.

That's one thing I hate about DT fans, most of them are metal fans who wouldn't know prog if it bit them in the ass. So yeah, if you only listen to DT and Symphony X, don't call yourself a prog fan, I can't stand that.

Sorry, prog elitism overload, I need to cool down.
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Old 07-23-2009, 11:32 PM   #574 (permalink)
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Adam Jones needs to be higher up the list :P
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:33 AM   #575 (permalink)
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Old 07-24-2009, 03:08 AM   #576 (permalink)
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Hey if you don't listen to Petrucci than don't put him on the list and admit ignorance.

However, you CANNOT call his playing emotionless and robotic.
You seem to be living in a little world where you believe no one can disagree with you. How old are you? I hope for your sake you are young enough to learn differently.

How about shutting the fuck up and simply realising that not everyone shares your opinions. Pretty simple.
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:37 PM   #577 (permalink)
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Anyway, I think Petrucci's technical ability is rather overstated, playing fast and all over the place is not the only factor in technical chops, a great understanding of melodicism and the ability to apply your skills in a tasteful way is also a big part of it.

Take even less technically skilled guitarists into consideration, like Gilmour or Santana for example. To do so much with so few notes isn't as easy as people make it out to be, it takes a great understanding of melody and structure. Gilmour and Santana could do more with 4 notes than Petrucci can do with 100.

There's a lot of great technnical players out there, and a lot who also know the difference between showing off their ability in a creative and tasteful way, and just plain wanking a whole song to death.

Petrucci is not one of those players, I've never heard him do anything that he didn't run into the ground with tiresome guitar gymnastics. I'd say he's ridiculously high as it is and that mainly has to do with his influence in the shred guitar wanking community.

Compare Petrucci to most other prog guitarists. Like Robert Fripp, Steve Howe, Andy Latimer, Jan Akkerman and Steve Hackett. Sure they liked to show off and play really complex, over the top stuff. But they also knew how to craft melody and suit a song perfectly, as well as not steal all the spotlight from the other band members. They could also play catchy riffs or really simple, beautiful parts when they needed to. I have yet to hear Petrucci prove himself capable of doing such a thing.

Then again, Petrucci is far from being a progressive guitarist, I quite hate it when people refer to him as such, he's a generic metal shredder in a so called prog band, that's it. I think it's just plain idiotic when people claim he's better than Gilmour and Page. But when people try and put him on the same plain as Robert Fripp, I just find it offensive, Petrucci is an insult to everything that prog rock is supposed to be about.

That's one thing I hate about DT fans, most of them are metal fans who wouldn't know prog if it bit them in the ass. So yeah, if you only listen to DT and Symphony X, don't call yourself a prog fan, I can't stand that.

Sorry, prog elitism overload, I need to cool down.
your idea of prog is so skewed. you just keep proving you don't listen to DT, and are completely ignorant on what they do. They pull elements of classical, jazz, world, arabic, and every other form of music. They play atonally, they constantly switch time signatures, and do things that no other bands have done. They have produced several concept albums and continually exersize deep knowledge of music theory.

They use every mode, every scale, every piece of knowledge in their musical arsenal.

Now if you want melodic playing, that is not fast, like I mentioned, Petrucci has produced more of those solos than Hendrix. Now also, to say that you can't be fast and melodic is stupid. You can have the same melody, but simply add in extra notes.

So instead of giving lets say and A a whole beat (quarter note for this example), you could play 4 16th notes where you play the A maj arpegio and then end on an A. Melodically, this would have the same effect as just playing an A, but also add more color.

The idea that playing fast and playing melodically are mutually exclusive, is stupid.

Also if influence on other guitarists is an important factor on your list, where is Segovia, Carcassi, Sor, Tarrega, or Paco de Lucia?

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You seem to be living in a little world where you believe no one can disagree with you. How old are you? I hope for your sake you are young enough to learn differently.

How about shutting the fuck up and simply realising that not everyone shares your opinions. Pretty simple.
No if you have an opinion that is fine. However, that opinion has to be based on logic in order to not be subject to objective critique

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You said Jimmy Page couldn't hold a candle to Petrucci for one, get back to me when he has half the image and star power and writes 50 of the greatesst rock songs ever written. You're an idiot and a troll. Just know that every second of your life that you live thinking Johh Petrucci is the best guitarist of all time is a wasted ****ing second that you will never get back.
Oh ok so under that logic Daughtry is a better guitarist. His image is twice as big as Page's. This is the problem, you equate image to ability. Huge mistake.

Just realize that your puny brain is hindering every second of your life.
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your idea of prog is so skewed. you just keep proving you don't listen to DT, and are completely ignorant on what they do. They pull elements of classical, jazz, world, arabic, and every other form of music. They play atonally, they constantly switch time signatures, and do things that no other bands have done. They have produced several concept albums and continually exersize deep knowledge of music theory.

They use every mode, every scale, every piece of knowledge in their musical arsenal.
...And they still can't write a halfway decent song.
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