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Oh the stupid arguments I've had with DT fanboys who would say things like "Well they're better than Nirvana, at least they're not repetitive".

Repetition can be a good or bad thing depending on how you use it.

Contrary to popular belief, prog bands knew the value of repetition, KC used repetition A LOT, Larks and Red for example.

And that's Dream Theater's biggest problem, they have ADHD or something, they can't stick to any kind of pattern.

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Tuneman1

I am going to thank God everyday that I don't have a music outlook like you.

First of all, if you don't think they are prog than I think that disqualifies you from all discussion. They have delved into every facet of progressive rock and if you listen to Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, Scenes from a Memory, or Octavarium, and you find these guys don't play prog then you are deaf.

And yes, repetition is bad. Artists should explore, and produce new things. I think one of the things that appeals to me about DT is that their only goal is to push the limits and play something that sounds good.

I think that if any well known pop artists had their talent, and knowledge of theory, they would take their musical outlook. Jimmy page simply doesn't know how to do some of the things that Petrucci can. I am not saying that DT is better than Zep, I am simply saying that where Page's talent ends, Petrucci has the ability to explore and extract more out of the guitar.

Tuneman1

So do you think The Spirit Carries On doesn't have soul? Or how about Petrucci's solo at the end of Octavarium. Or what about Rite of Passage?

boo boo

And vice versa.

Well I haven't heard their entire discography but that won't change as long as I have some dignity.

I've heard stuff from most of their studio albums and no matter what era it was, it always sounds the same. Stuff they do now doesn't sound very different from what they did in 1988, except for slightly adapting to whatever the big metal trend is at the moment.

They're a very niche band that doesn't break from a formula.

They are a prog band no doubt, because the definitions of prog have changed sad to say, while it was originally used to describe all these groups that were breaking serious artistic ground in the 60s and 70s, with the 80s and onwards it's been used to define bands who are simply influenced by that movement, but many of them don't take the kinda artistic risks that the original prog bands took.

And that's why Radiohead are not prog, yet Dream Theater are, because the term has been twisted around from it's original meaning.

That being said, they're not a progressive band at all.

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Whew. Oh man, sorry about that.

While it's true that Petrucci can do things Page can't.

Page could also do things that Petrucci can't, like crafting great songs, or riffs that I won't end up forgetting in 5 minutes.

Anyway. This has been fun, so I'll let this go on for another page or two. But afterwards I expect you to cut this crap out if you want to stick around. Because I'm starting to believe you're just trolling.

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Twilight

Love your work Boo Boo, not a bad list and your Pettruci comments are pretty spot on.

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Bulldog

Looks like trolling to me. You like who you like, and that's really cute, and while we encourage a healthy debate here flaming people in order to defend your views isn't cool. One more insult and you're gone for a week.

Unknown Soldier

Despite being a big DT fan myself, I totally agree with the above statement in that Radiohead are seen as Art Rock as opposed to Prog and lets face it, listening to Radiohead is really what prog Rock should all be about as Radiohead are extremely progressive and constantly seek to evolve.

Whereas DT, are very much a combination of some of my favourite prog/rock bands of the 70's and 80's. 50% of their music sounds like Kansas in their prog era and the other 50% a combination of Rush with elements of Toto, all this mixed in with a metal feel supposedly equals Progressive Metal. In fact the metal aspect to their music is probably the only really progressive thing in their music but then again they are not an metal group, so the progressive metal label could be seen as being totally inaccurate.

Mojo

A total of 16 posts. 16 posts sucking Dream Theaters ****?

I think this is what you were looking for - DreamTheaterForums.org Dream Theater Fan Site

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Don't you dare bring Rush into this Dream Theater conversation!!!

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