Metallica

TheBig3 · 03-04-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pahuuuta

i didnt say they arent better than motor head im just saying their stuff from the 80s is better, MoP, ride the lightning, kill em all. load is horrible compared to those, black album isnt great besides for of wolf and man, sad but true and nothing else matters, enter sandman is VERY OVERPLAYED and VERY OVERRATED.

When I say the word "you" here, I don't mean specifically you but... its not about you. How many times you've heard something doesn't change the music at all. The question is, how did you feel the first time you heard it, and the solo in Enter Sandman is mindblwoing.

For the record, I've never read a positive review of that song. ever. and I'm a huge fan of their work.

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

The Black Album is a tight record. It was also a huge shift in sound from the four albums that came before it. Bands changing their sound is not a bad thing, its just going to alienate a lot of their fan base. The Black Album is a great record, i just dont think its a great metal record. Load is decent in places but a little mediocre, Reload again has a few tracks on it I like but very middle of the road.

I think thats exactly right. If you were looking for Thrash with the Black Album, thats your own fault. Is it a good thrash album? no. Its also not a good jazz, country, or folk album but no one ever asks that question despite is being just as reasonable.

There was nothing like The Black Album pre-Balck Album and just because it was mildly responsible for the universe of **** it unleashed on modern rock radio does not mean that it was bad. Truth be told if there wasn't a Black Album and a RATM S/T we likely wouldn't have had Godsmack and their ilk, but who can be sure when experimenting with nature what manner of aberations will come out?

7gaugejames · 03-04-2009, 10:03 AM

Done. they've done what they can do in thier field of sound(genre) i say break up, look at what can happen when you get different puzzle pieces cut from the same patterns, what i mean is, integration means re-juvination sometimes. Look at velvet revolver, way cool and new, fresh, sexy. How about James Hetfield on vocals and the Rasputina chicks on strings with Bernard "hit maker" Purdy on drums, and the horn section from Gums and Roses, 357 was thier name, i think. just a suggestion.

**Janszoon** · 03-04-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pahuuuta

...black album isnt great besides for of wolf and man, sad but true and nothing else matters...

I agree with you that the black album is really hit-or-miss but those three songs are definitely three of the worst on the album not three of the best.

pahuuuta · 03-04-2009, 01:02 PM

what would you consider the best than? and once again back to the song enter sandman, i never once said that its not a GOOD song, it was, when i first heard it, it still is, but im saying its over played and over rated, no where did i say its a bad song.

**Janszoon** · 03-04-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

I love the Black Album and I have to say I think of people who prefer the 80s stuff (that's stated to many times by so many people, it feels like it's the norm) just wanna be cool by dissing what's most popular .. which is ironic since that opinion itself is kind of conformist. Sorry if that's not you, it's just a general suspicion I have.

If, as you say, it's the norm to prefer the 80s stuff, then doesn't that mean it's the people who like the newer stuff that are going against the grain just to be cool?

**Janszoon** · 03-04-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pahuuuta

what would you consider the best than? and once again back to the song enter sandman, i never once said that its not a GOOD song, it was, when i first heard it, it still is, but im saying its over played and over rated, no where did i say its a bad song.

I'd say that "Through the Never" is the probably the best song on the album. I like "The Unforgiven" a lot too even though it's terribly overplayed. "The God That Failed", "Holier Than Thou", "My Friend of Misery" and "The Struggle Within" are all pretty good as well. I've never for the life of me understood why so many people like "Sad but True" or why they decided to release that song as a single. It's easily one of the dullest songs they had written up to that point.

pahuuuta · 03-04-2009, 01:26 PM

very nice songs also, sad but true is a good song though, so is nothing else matters.

**Janszoon** · 03-04-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pahuuuta

very nice songs also, sad but true is a good song though, so is nothing else matters.

"Nothing Else Matters" is a really mediocre song but I can see why they'd release it as a single since it has "high school dance" written all over it. "Sad but True" on the other hand is just a mid-tempo snoozefest with some of James Hetfield's worst vocals and some truly uninspired drumming from Lars. I remember buying the album when it first came out and thinking of "Sad but True" as filler. I was totally shocked when they turned around and released it as a single.

pahuuuta · 03-04-2009, 01:39 PM

true that homes

Mojo · 03-04-2009, 02:49 PM

The Struggle Within gets overlooked a lot. Thats a great song I agree.

However, Sad But True stands out for me. It's still a staple in live sets and I always look forward to that one.

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pahuuuta Craziest Thing Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York Posts: 459	what would you consider the best than? and once again back to the song enter sandman, i never once said that its not a GOOD song, it was, when i first heard it, it still is, but im saying its over played and over rated, no where did i say its a bad song. __________________ *He Who Makes A Beast Out Of Himself Gets Rid Of The Pain Of Being A Man*

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pahuuuta Craziest Thing Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York Posts: 459	very nice songs also, sad but true is a good song though, so is nothing else matters. __________________ *He Who Makes A Beast Out Of Himself Gets Rid Of The Pain Of Being A Man*

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pahuuuta Craziest Thing Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York Posts: 459	true that homes __________________ *He Who Makes A Beast Out Of Himself Gets Rid Of The Pain Of Being A Man*

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Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	The Struggle Within gets overlooked a lot. Thats a great song I agree. However, Sad But True stands out for me. It's still a staple in live sets and I always look forward to that one. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust