i agree 100% with this dude.

Of course you do. :laughing:

its true though.

Haha grunge_junkie...
And really mainstream is what made the artists hate it, but it can still sound good.
Hopefully no one here didn't just go through a Led Zeppelin phase. XD

It can, but in the case of grunge it didn't. I like a lot of the music that directly influenced grunge but not grunge itself.

I guess it's just sort of for the grunge fan. Like I hate rap, but I like some of the rap metal songs that would have never been without it.

That's the exact reverse of what I was saying.

I was giving the example to agree with you. I think I wrote it wrong anyway but what I meant was that I don't even care what it means, who it was for, or anything else. I like what it sounds like and there's just no possible way to argue with that from anyone.

Janzoon said to Ahem: Don't know about who the oldest grunge fan to post here is, but I was in college back when grunge was taking off. Although I'm more a fan of metal, I love certain grunge bands: Alice In Chains, Tad, Melvins (often called grunge), Willard, Mother Love Bone, and Soundgarden. When the mood hits, I enjoy Nirvana and Stone Temple Pilots. I never enjoyed the slew of 'garage' (for lack of a better word) grunge bands (e.g. Green River), though Mudhoney was not bad.

Okay, oldest grunge fan award goes to you I guess. :D

It's not surprising for me to encounter people in their 30s who like grunge, what I think is so strange is the teenage kids who crop up here on a regular basis and are fanatical grunge fans. That's really what I was getting at with the post you're quoting.

Somewhat odd, I guess. Maybe grunge is enjoying some type of 'retro' stylishness with some teenagers because it's no longer 'cool'. On the other hand, is it any odder than the teenage Megadeth, and Metallica fans who weren't around when those bands were in their prime?

same here. that's why i made the comment about assumptions earlier in the thread. i see something about the prominent music style of my youth i'm going to check it out, and what do i get?

a manifesto about how we are in regards to a bunch of marketing terms. :confused:

if grunge wasn't about fashion why is it the first thing listed? if one 'truly' doesn't care about something why do they spend any amount of effort discussing it?

i don't remember anyone around me dressing the parts. then again people had been wearing flannel for decades prior. cheeseballs in big cities have always played dress up.

the use of the 'grunge' term went away as quickly as it was established. 'alternative' and 'alt-rock' soon became the standard terms to define the style.

as for the rebellious attitude. WHAT? when? if anything the grunge generation was one of the most apathetic and depressed ones out there.

if you want to establish your own identity by hiding behind my generation's cultural costume then that's your prerogative. we will just have to agree to disagree on what grunge is / was. the fact that you bring up that parenting book shows that you're still coming to grips with your own identity. you are living up to the title after all, you're the one telling us how it is, how we are, just like a boss...

Yeah, I do think it's odder actually because metal tends to be more of a continuum that exists to a large extent outside of trends. Not that metal doesn't have its movements and whatnot, it obviously does, but it seems like metal fans usually like a long line of metal extending back to the 70s regardless of whether it's in out or out of style. The young grunge fans we get here, on the contrary, often have a total fixation on grunge and very little interest in the music that inspired it or the music that came after it. I find that really perplexing.

Edit: Also, I don't think I've ever seen a metal fan, or anyone else for that matter, post the kind manifesto about their favorite-type-of-music-as-a-cultural-movement the way we see grunge fans do.

Points well taken. Perhaps the "total fixation on grunge" you mention might be the result of the teens' lack of experience with other styles of music/bands. Maybe they'd be fixated on whatever caught their attention first, hence the fixation on Nirvana of many young grunge fans.

What? Is grunge coming back into style amongst high-schoolers?

That'd be some ****. I was listening to nothing but grunge and metal while I was in high school (2000-2004), but it never got me any attention. I definitely wasn't a "cool" kid. ****in' trends. Figures.

Mr. Dave:



Wow... That was a great comment.

About the not caring, I really did mean to just come here, say what's on my mind, and leave. So while I was writing, I didn't even expect comments or anyone reading it for that matter.

About the fashion thing, you kind of actually helped my point. I was saying that people started calling it grunge fashion because of grunge artists wearing It. I know they just wore it because it was cold. Not to sell.

The attitude, I guess that was just around me. And I tryed to mellow it out because what I mean is that I don't rebel unless I truly feel I need to rebel.

The book thing: I just threw it in there because of was another thing pissing me off. Also, I wasn't telling anyone how to be, I told them what I am.

The use of the word we is something I really regret doing. It was my load, I'm done with it, and, other to message back to this, I see good point in just letting the whole thread die.

I'm tired of defending music. I like how it sounds and that's all there is to it.

1. Grunge isn't popular. What seems to be in style now is mostly pop-punk shit like Forever The Sickest Kids, Fall Out Boy, etc.

2. Most of what we call post-grunge is what the average listener thinks of as simply "rock or hard rock", even if its not either of those things despite what every dumbcunt music publication says.

I got it off my chest for myself and if you look around, we have to try hard defending it.

If someone said your favorite band sucks with reasons you can debunk, I'm pretty sure you'd do just that. But grunge has so many more people against it.

LOL. Grunge is easily one of the most popular styles of rock music of the past 30 years, you're pretty hard pressed to say it has "so many more people against it".

Look around!
I'm sitting here typing over and over, as to compare that if I said to wear leather as a judas priest fan most everybody would nod there head and leave. And I only mean here right now.

I'm willing to bet there are way more Nirvana fans on here than Judas Priest fans.

that's because Judas Priest sound dated as fuck.

Im behind you. I love most of the grunge movement. I mean by the end it got kind of stale but the few years it was golden...well I loved it.

^You see what I mean, Ahem?

My very fav music

Well just as an example. Just pick a band you think is bigger then nirvana (a lot of bands) and put it in the situation.
There's no point to any arguments, so let the thread die.

That's my point, there aren't many bands bigger than Nirvana.

Well it's a discussion board and this is a fairly entertaining discussion...

Haha it's entertaining but it's getting pointless.

Grunge has maintained a certain following amongst high school students through the years. I could be wrong, but I would guess this is because for the kids who are inclined to listen to rock music over rap, pop, etc., there hasn't been a really huge movement to come along that these kids could claim as their own. By this I don't mean that there haven't been popular rock acts, but no band has exploded and changed rock music in the mainstream to such an extent since Nirvana in '91. Rap-rock became popular when I was in high school, but this was a very shortlived trend and actually sounds more dated than music made nearly ten years earlier.

Thank you.

That's an interesting take on it. I've wondered if the high school kids who are into grunge today are kind of like the equivalent of the kids who were really into classic rock when I was in high school. Though I have to say I don't really remember those kids attaching any particular ideology to the music they listened to.

Still good though.

then what would have been the point in even typing it?

what music has even been discussed in this thread in order to be defended? you like how 90s rock sounds. great! same here, in fact the bulk of the cds i own are 90s rock (it's when i had the most disposable income).

again, if you really didn't care. why are you so defensive?

as for ATPs comment - no single band has changed the course of popular music since nirvana because the internet changed the way the masses deal with popular music shortly thereafter. it's not possible for a band to have that sort of mainstream impact anymore when everything gets leaked digitally and made disposable to the point of not even having a physical presence most of the time.

I've answered this atleast 3 times now...

No I'm also curious as to why you're so defensive. In my experience I've found that when I get overly defensive about something it's usually because I have this niggling doubt in the back of mind that I'm not enjoying it as much as I've convinced myself. If you enjoy your must so much then a bunch of faceless people really shouldn't be able to evoke such a defensive emotion in you.

My point wasn't really why or how this happened. People had been discussing how it was strange that kids today were still listening to grunge. I was merely offering a take on why that might be. The kids today who are interested in rock music don't really have a movement of their own, because no one band or style is really big right now the way they used to be.

First of all, you can't base an argument off of how you are.
And I'm not being overly defensive. If I were to leave right now, I'd throw this entire argument in the trash. People started an argument, I answered, they answered, and if people keep expecting an answer back, I'm answering. So don't tell me not to argue by arguing...

it was a rant, but you know - it's just him saying what's on his mind and I thought it was good. We've heard it before, but everyone has their own angle. It's like punk - its like all music. Technically speaking, you cant define it with one word because it's far too deep and is fuzzed out by the hype and post-modern gaze surrounding everything now. We're far more conscious of it all too.

Interesting times...

right, and what i'm saying is the reason no band is capable of leading a movement like that anymore is because the internet directly changed the way people deal with music. bands and record labels keep trying to catch up but they're still dry humping the corpse of how pop music worked since the 70s.

Unfortunately they still get all the money. Of coarse after they have given a cut to ticketmaster.