Darkest Hour

is there anything to like about creed? I'd rather listen to 12 stones or something.

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Inorite?!?!

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djchameleon

I wouldn't call that rapping it sounds more like singing very fast and it only lasts 10 seconds so no need to get excited

adidasss

Really? Are you posting from the 90s? Have you heard of the internet and alternative modes of distributing music?

Also, any band that takes advice from their label CEOs on how their music should sound probably suck more than Creed supposedly does.
Cock usually tastes good, thanks for asking, you homophobic prick. I like Creed. I also like several hundred other artists. How queer!

Ignorant are people who post stupid generalizations like that. People who listen to Creed obviously don't think they're mediocre. I think it's safe to say they're anything but, having sold a few million more albums more than your mediocre ass. They do what they do pretty well. If you don't like that type of music, you can feel free to fuck off.

Nobody's forcing you to listen to Creed. If you don't like "corporate cock sucking" don't watch MTV.

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khfreek

The only part I had a problem with; success does not indicate quality in and of itself, and more often than not the opposite is true.

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TheBig3

this is something poor people who want to be musicians tell themselves. This also supposes that success = $.

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Anteater

Sigh...trolling sure isn't as fun as it used to be...

...but fine, I'll play ball!

Mmmn, for someone who apparantly knows how to read and process information, you sure are good at completely missing the point. How does the fact that alternative means of distributation exist have ANYTHING to do with my statement regarding what the majority of bands tend to do in order to get on radio, which even today is the most common way an average person learns about songs, bands etc?

If your on a major label, you'll be doing what your label CEOs and whoever else has a say in your sound tells you to do, and that hasn't changed despite what you think you know. Some bands suck even more than Creed, some suck less, but they all suck in the long run because none of them are musicians who are aiming for anything more than your wallet anyway. How else can you explain the fact that groups like Creed, Breaking Benjamin, and such sound exactly the same on every album?

Simply put, it's because people like you enjoy their brand of smoothly flat-sounding brand of post-grunge. As a result of that enjoyment, fewer genres and bands will ever strike out beyond the Internet or indepedent labels who don't sell much to begin with.

Oh my, I hurt the little baby's feelings! Is it fun taking the easy way out at every conversational opportunity whenever you disagree with what I'm saying?

In the context of my last post, "corporate cock" refers to the fact that most record labels are run at the top by a board of dudes who want your money and will do whatever it takes to make as much of it as possible. In other words, its a male-oriented business on the production/distribution side of things, and hence my choice of words. If you misunderstood that, then I can't really do anything about it. xD


And I care...why? You, adidasss, don't get most of what you listen to from radio to begin with, so hence you don't fall into the target demographics I was particularly aiming toward in my last post.

So, you can assert that you like "several hundred other artists" (which is most likely ALL LIEZ) besides Creed, and yet you can write out bullshit like this with a straight face. Let's have dissection class shall we?

1. Of course I generalize. I usually avoid doing so, however, until after some long-term observation, research and consideration. The only times I ever feel justified doing so is when there are too many people doing the same damn thing to pick them out on a case-by-case basis, and you're no fucking better if you want to lie to me and say you've never generalized based on your experiences.

2. "Safe to say" my ass. If batshit politicians, quack doctors, etc. sell millions of books every year and top the New York Times Bestseller's list, what does that say about our culture? Hell, what does that say about people like you who don't see any value in my concerns?

3. By what criteria am I mediocre? That I actually live life without shoving godawful pastiche-rock music down the ears of children in commercials, television, etc?

4. MTV eh. Well, in quoting the ever amusing adidasss-

"Are you posting from the 90s? Have you heard of the internet and alternative modes of distributing music?"

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adidasss

Really? Based on whose and what standard? We've had this discussion before and I put it then as I do now, popular bands are popular because they exceed in making commercial, mass appeal music. Not EVERYONE can do that nor with equal success. That's why we don't have a new Creed, or Britney or Madonna popping up every few months. If it was as easy as that we'd all be superstars. These people shift millions because they create above average, quality products in their respective genres. I realize you and plenty more on this forum don't particularly care for that sort of music (like pop or commercial hard rock) but I don't see how you can sit here and seriously claim millions of people buy garbage. Sure, certain artists sell some albums be sheer inertia of their fan base, but every single one of them had to have made at least a few really good albums to get to that point.
and spell "apparently"... Huh? It has everything to do with it. It means that in this day and age, bands don't have to "suck corporate cock" to be heard or reach success. If they have a quality product, they will most certainly be heard of. If they don't and all they want is to make money, then Creed isn't really taking away their valuable radio space now are they?

(you're)My heart bleeds for them. Again, if you don't want to suck the corporate cock, don't sign with a major label, you have plenty of other options.

Every band EVER sucks? Whatever, I don't give a shit what they're aiming for, they ain't getting a dime out of me (remember, the internetz). And if I did spend money on them, why the hell do you care? I'm getting the product I want, which is catchy, hard hitting rock music. Progheads can still make "troo" music in their mamma's basement and put it on line for you to hear and then brag about how superior your music taste is to everyone else's.

Oh yes, I'm sorry, everyone should have the same taste in music you do.
Sucking cock in the context you used it was meant as a disparagement, there's no misunderstanding that. I don't particularly hold it against you, but it does show just how deep seated and pervasive these prejudices are.

Your comments can be applied to any particular fan of music whose taste doesn't coincide with yours. And I think you need to get over yourself.

The tl;dr version of the above:
Don't be ridiculous. Creed isn't stopping anyone from making or enjoying the music of their choice.

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khfreek

Not everyone can do it, but most can (or rather, the people the bands work with can do it). Whether any lame rapper or pop artist makes it these days is based purely on what record label they're represented by. You don't see the Rihanna's and Katy Perry's of the world slowing gaining appeal by word of mouth; their record company promotes them enough by getting their music videos on TV and their songs on the radio, and the mindless masses take it from there.

For example, Creed released their first album on an independent label to little response. They sign to Wind-up Records, a subsidiary of Sony BMG, and the re-released album goes into the Top 40. Definitely not a coincedence. So from those points we can conclude that the quality, remaining the same between the two releases of the album, did not have an effect on their major success; it was the label.

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Anteater

Yep, and the only people who end up getting on major labels these days have to meet whatever critera the label wants in the music they promote.

In that regard, perhaps Creed were fortunate that their first two albums came out when they did, cause they're sound is only gonna get flatter from here on out. Thank God for bands who stick to analog!

But yeah, I'm done trolling this thread. That was fun though!

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