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Stinkfist · 04-02-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gotjuice

I have to disagree here...I don't see 10,000 Days as a continuation of Lateralus at all. To me it's yet another progression of both their sound and their lyrics. Lateralus to me is cold, unfeeling, the references to planets and mathematical curves and sequences almost numbing. I get this feeling sonically too, especially with tracks like Reflection and The Patient. 10,000 Days is personal. It's warmer. Maynard lets us into the emotional ride he was on after his mother's death, and instead of abstract, vaguely stated references to human nature, Maynard is now far more direct. I see the differences between Lateralus and 10,000 Days like the differences between night and day, and which album I prefer really depends on how I'm feeling on any particular day.

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scottsy · 04-04-2010, 10:35 PM

Gotjuice's post was indeed a very valid one indeed.... both albums do definitely suit a very different mood and should be listened to in this context!

Astronomer · 04-08-2010, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotjuice

I have to disagree here...I don't see 10,000 Days as a continuation of Lateralus at all. To me it's yet another progression of both their sound and their lyrics. Lateralus to me is cold, unfeeling, the references to planets and mathematical curves and sequences almost numbing. I get this feeling sonically too, especially with tracks like Reflection and The Patient. 10,000 Days is personal. It's warmer. Maynard lets us into the emotional ride he was on after his mother's death, and instead of abstract, vaguely stated references to human nature, Maynard is now far more direct. I see the differences between Lateralus and 10,000 Days like the differences between night and day, and which album I prefer really depends on how I'm feeling on any particular day.

Couldn't agree more.

P A N · 04-08-2010, 09:59 AM

i don't know why 10,000 days get so much flak. it's beautiful to me. to see it live is phenomenal. my only problem with it is that the engineer left it a little muddy in some parts. other than that, it's the perfect next step in their progression of musical expression. it's just so wide open. and it still abides by their sort of 'rule' that all songs individually need to be autonomous and great while still contributing to the flow of awesomeness which is the album in its entirety.

and mellow? i disagree thoroughly. the subject matter and the outrageous-yet-not-flippant dynamics make it just as intense as ever, if not more.

it makes me very happy to see them just doing what they want to do, and not regurgitating the past and choking on their attempts to relive it. if all musicians behaved like tool, pretense and expectations regarding artists and their output would be obsolete.

duga · 04-08-2010, 03:03 PM

I can see how everyone decided to disagree with me...I guess I wasn't clear enough in my post. The fact that Lateralus is cold and unfeeling with 10000 Days is the opposite is pretty much exactly my point. They feel like they go together. 10000 Days is Lateralus II for that exact reason, they cover two sides of one coin.

I'm sure I'll still be alone in this opinion, but does anyone else see what I mean?

scottsy · 04-08-2010, 10:30 PM

I can see what you mean... it's a similar way to the way Devin Townsend wrote the "Alien" album by Strapping Young Lad and the "Synchestra" album for his own Devin Townsend band... Apparently he went off his bipolar disorder meds to write the music on Alien and then wrote the music from Synchestra after going back on meds and normalizing himself... in that way, these two albums were kinda tied to together as a first episode and sequel format... similarly Lateralus and 10,000 Days kinda form flip sides of moods, so in that regard, your point is definitely Valid, Duga... the albums themselves are, however quite different sounding and feeling, and one is a progression from the other, for sure, much like Townsend's efforts...

boo boo · 04-20-2010, 04:34 PM

I remember arguing with some guys the other day who crapped on Adam Jones for using too many "nu meta" riffs.

Don't really hear it, unless all hard rocking downtuned riffs are nu metal ones.

Lateralus is my favorite of theirs, I certainly don't here anything nu metal-ish in there. Aenima? Maybe.

TheBig3 · 04-20-2010, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo boo

I remember arguing with some guys the other day who crapped on Adam Jones for using too many "nu meta" riffs.

Don't really hear it, unless all hard rocking downtuned riffs are nu metal ones.

Lateralus is my favorite of theirs, I certainly don't here anything nu metal-ish in there. Aenima? Maybe.

Well if it was Aenima, then their chronology is way off. When did that come out, 95/96? If its nu-metal riffs, then he ought to be praised for creating them.

boo boo · 04-20-2010, 10:07 PM

I wouldn't call them nu metal riffs at all, that album just has more riff heavy songs.

Astronomer · 04-21-2010, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo boo

I remember arguing with some guys the other day who crapped on Adam Jones for using too many "nu meta" riffs.

Don't really hear it, unless all hard rocking downtuned riffs are nu metal ones.

Lateralus is my favorite of theirs, I certainly don't here anything nu metal-ish in there. Aenima? Maybe.

I fail to hear anything nu-metal anywhere... and I'm not just saying that, because I do actually enjoy nu-metal from time to time. I don't really hear any influences from that genre in Tool, though :/

04-04-2010, 10:35 PM	#242 (permalink)
scottsy Untalented Drummer Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sussex, Wisconsin Posts: 2,900	Gotjuice's post was indeed a very valid one indeed.... both albums do definitely suit a very different mood and should be listened to in this context! __________________ "If you're like me, then it's possible you're a clone generated from my stolen DNA. I suggest you turn yourself in for destruction immediately" - Shaun Micallef.

04-08-2010, 03:03 PM	#245 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	I can see how everyone decided to disagree with me...I guess I wasn't clear enough in my post. The fact that Lateralus is cold and unfeeling with 10000 Days is the opposite is pretty much exactly my point. They feel like they go together. 10000 Days is Lateralus II for that exact reason, they cover two sides of one coin. I'm sure I'll still be alone in this opinion, but does anyone else see what I mean? __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

04-08-2010, 10:30 PM	#246 (permalink)
scottsy Untalented Drummer Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sussex, Wisconsin Posts: 2,900	I can see what you mean... it's a similar way to the way Devin Townsend wrote the "Alien" album by Strapping Young Lad and the "Synchestra" album for his own Devin Townsend band... Apparently he went off his bipolar disorder meds to write the music on Alien and then wrote the music from Synchestra after going back on meds and normalizing himself... in that way, these two albums were kinda tied to together as a first episode and sequel format... similarly Lateralus and 10,000 Days kinda form flip sides of moods, so in that regard, your point is definitely Valid, Duga... the albums themselves are, however quite different sounding and feeling, and one is a progression from the other, for sure, much like Townsend's efforts... __________________ "If you're like me, then it's possible you're a clone generated from my stolen DNA. I suggest you turn yourself in for destruction immediately" - Shaun Micallef.

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04-08-2010, 09:59 AM	#244 (permalink)
P A N DO LIKE YOU. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 629	i don't know why 10,000 days get so much flak. it's beautiful to me. to see it live is phenomenal. my only problem with it is that the engineer left it a little muddy in some parts. other than that, it's the perfect next step in their progression of musical expression. it's just so wide open. and it still abides by their sort of 'rule' that all songs individually need to be autonomous and great while still contributing to the flow of awesomeness which is the album in its entirety. and mellow? i disagree thoroughly. the subject matter and the outrageous-yet-not-flippant dynamics make it just as intense as ever, if not more. it makes me very happy to see them just doing what they want to do, and not regurgitating the past and choking on their attempts to relive it. if all musicians behaved like tool, pretense and expectations regarding artists and their output would be obsolete.