The Official Tool Thread

[Forward To Death]

Tool's definitely marketed (whether intentional or not) towards teens. Loud/heavy music with aggressive vocals, and abrasive/anti-establishment lyricism is basically the formula for getting thousands of rebellious teens to listen to you.

[Rjinn]

Originally Posted by Engine

I think I finally see why people distinguish "Tool Fans" from people who simply like Tool.
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it's cool if you don't have the brains to understand the Cerebral parts because you can always just get down with the Visceral parts that sound good?
I think Tool fans who "get" the Cerebral parts confuse people like me who don't even like the sound of their music.

Well a lot of fans do like Tool for their sound pretty much but I meant visceral in an intuitive sense that they're not only about brains. They're highly interpretive which takes away from "finding the intellectual meanings of their songs." You can sit down and just let it take you alway.

I do appreciate both cerebral and visceral parts of Tool but to be honest after that concert I just sit and listen to them now without really much thought.

Oh and I see where Tool can attract young angsty teens with albums like Undertow, their EP Opiate, and songs like Ticks & Leaches, Eulogy, The Pot blah outrageous blah. But I don't agree that they're just marketed at teenage boys. They offer more than angst, heaviness and rebelliousness differently to others.

Honestly I did not see more than a few teens at the concert and it wasn't age restricted.

[skingrief]

nope your dead on

[Forward To Death]

I didn't say that they were only marketed towards kids, and I can guarantee that a bunch of kids couldn't go because of their parents. I'd also be willing to bet that most in attendance had been listening to Tool since they were about 15.

It goes beyond Opiate, Undertow, etc. They just have an aggressive sound, and the band is openly involved in anti-establishment causes. All of Aenima, all of Lateralus, all of 10,000 Days is very aggressive for the most part, and you can even put your own personal spin on what you think the lyrics are about.

I don't think they're aimed specifically at teens, and that's why I still listen to them still. I can't say that about every band I used to listen to 8 years ago

[MyName]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Tool's definitely marketed (whether intentional or not) towards teens. Loud/heavy music with aggressive vocals, and abrasive/anti-establishment lyricism is basically the formula for getting thousands of rebellious teens to listen to you.

I don't think that description really fits Tool's music. Well, maybe it does if you've never heard anything heavier than The Beatles.

There are much more heavier/aggressive/rebellious bands out there so if those are the only things you expect from music I don't think you'll like Tool.

Am I the only person in the world who doesn't have strong opinion about Tool one way or the other? I respect what they do and think they're good at it, but that said, I can't remember the last time I felt compelled to listen to them despite the fact that I own/have owned three of their albums.

I think that's perfectly fine. That's the same way I feel about most famous 60s/70s/80s bands. They just don't click with me.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Tool's definitely marketed (whether intentional or not) towards teens. Loud/heavy music with aggressive vocals, and abrasive/anti-establishment lyricism is basically the formula for getting thousands of rebellious teens to listen to you.

Maybe on the first two albums. Nothing about the work they've released post-2000 appeals to your average teenager.

[Forward To Death]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

Maybe on the first two albums. Nothing about the work they've released post-2000 appeals to your average teenager.

I think in order to say that, you have to almost be going entirely based on lyricism and the complex structure found in Lateralus and 10,000 Days. I think marketing is more to do with sound than anything, especially with teens. Even assuming you are going on the lyrical content, that's a huge stretch to say that NOTHING about the work they've released from Lateralus on is appealing to the average teen.

Originally Posted by MyName

I don't think that description really fits Tool's music. Well, maybe it does if you've never heard anything heavier than The Beatles.

There are much more heavier/aggressive/rebellious bands out there so if those are the only things you expect from music I don't think you'll like Tool.

Get back to me once you're over your Limp Dick phase.

[MyName]

Forward To Death <3 u too

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by MyName

I don't think that description really fits Tool's music. Well, maybe it does if you've never heard anything heavier than The Beatles.

There are much more heavier/aggressive/rebellious bands out there so if those are the only things you expect from music I don't think you'll like Tool.

The fact that you listen to them would indicate that description fits them perfectly.

[MyName]

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