who invented punk

Key · 04-07-2012, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Just because the term "punk" wasn't coined yet doesn't mean any of those guys weren't punk. It's like saying a T-Rex wasnt a T-Rex because nobody was there to call it that. One thing is for certain, it was still what we know as a dinosaur, regardless of what we call it. And that's what people like link ray were, pre-historic punks that roamed the land before anyone was calling It "punk".

This is the first time i've seen a dinosaur and a music genre in the same sentence being used as a legitimate argument.

(And that excludes the mention of T-Rex or Marc Bolan)

blastingas10 · 04-08-2012, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by milano

This is the first time i've seen a dinosaur and a music genre in the same sentence being used as a legitimate argument.

(And that excludes the mention of T-Rex or Marc Bolan)

thank you.

Howard the Duck · 04-08-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by milano

This is the first time i've seen a dinosaur and a music genre in the same sentence being used as a legitimate argument.

(And that excludes the mention of T-Rex or Marc Bolan)

surely you're familiar with the term "dinosaur rock", which is a term coined by the punks about the old rock that was on its own way out, namely prog

TockTockTock · 04-07-2012, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Just because the term "punk" wasn't coined yet doesn't mean any of those guys weren't punk. It's like saying a T-Rex wasnt a T-Rex because nobody was there to call it that. One thing is for certain, it was still what we know as a dinosaur, regardless of what we call it. And that's what people like link ray were, pre-historic punks that roamed the land before anyone was calling It "punk".

Progressive rock wasn't called progressive rock in the 1970s. At that point in time, it was referred to as art rock. You make a valid argument.

As I said before... it is impossible to attribute just one person as being the sole creator of punk rock. It stemmed from many other musicians' efforts (The Stooges, The Velvet Underground, etc). With that being said, I definitely believe Link Wray had some influence over its inception due to the energy and grittiness of how he played the guitar....

Also, many people think Burroughs is the "Godfather of Punk"... I can't really disagree with that either.

BastardofYoung · 04-08-2012, 12:00 AM

influence he may have had on it, but he did not "invent" it. Which is my point. The use of "invented" here is dumb. If this thread was, who influence the creation of punk, I would say Link Wray is a contender, influence he may have had, but he did not invent the style in the slightest, his influence was in rockabilly, not in punk.

BastardofYoung · 04-08-2012, 01:16 AM

"Well, you see... you sort of contradicted yourself in that last sentence. You claimed that Link Wray is a contender for being an influence on punk rock, but then you contradict yourself by saying "his influence was in rockabilly, not punk." Which is it? "

what? which is it? His influence is IN rockabilly, rockabilly is not punk. that still stands.

Also I never claimed he was a contender in punk, just phrased bad i guess. Read it a few more times, will more than make sense.

Yeah, I contradicted myself saying Woodie Guthrie at first, forgot i said that, was probably drunk at the time.

And I am a random critic, you are a random critic, he is a random critic, she is a random critic. we are all random critics.... each one of us on this site.

BastardofYoung · 04-08-2012, 01:20 AM

let me change that a bit:

If this thread [title] was, "who influence(d) the creation of punk", [then] I would say Link Wray is a contender. influence he may have had [on the style], but he did not "invent" the style in the slightest, his influence was in (on) rockabilly, not in (on) punk.

blastingas10 · 04-08-2012, 11:22 AM

What about prog-punk? Is there such a thing? Im sure there is. I know The Velvet ungerground were around before punk was a term, but Id consider them a experimental or progressive punk band, if you want to consider them punk at all, I would. Although I think punk is a poor way to describe them. Punk was kind of a regressive genre when you consider The VU and a band like The Sex Pistols, the genre was certainly moving backwards.

Howard the Duck · 04-08-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

What about prog-punk? Is there such a thing? Im sure there is. I know The Velvet ungerground were around before punk was a term, but Id consider them a experimental or progressive punk band, if you want to consider them punk at all, I would. Although I think punk is a poor way to describe them. Punk was kind of a regressive genre when you consider The VU and a band like The Sex Pistols, the genre was certainly moving backwards.

there is - The Cardiacs would play something akin to a cross between prog and punk

Unknown Soldier · 04-08-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Punk was kind of a regressive genre when you consider The VU and a band like The Sex Pistols, the genre was certainly moving backwards.

Based on this logic, the VU hardly qualify as being punk.

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BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	influence he may have had on it, but he did not "invent" it. Which is my point. The use of "invented" here is dumb. If this thread was, who influence the creation of punk, I would say Link Wray is a contender, influence he may have had, but he did not invent the style in the slightest, his influence was in rockabilly, not in punk. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

04-08-2012, 01:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	"Well, you see... you sort of contradicted yourself in that last sentence. You claimed that Link Wray is a contender for being an influence on punk rock, but then you contradict yourself by saying "his influence was in rockabilly, not punk." Which is it? " what? which is it? His influence is IN rockabilly, rockabilly is not punk. that still stands. Also I never claimed he was a contender in punk, just phrased bad i guess. Read it a few more times, will more than make sense. Yeah, I contradicted myself saying Woodie Guthrie at first, forgot i said that, was probably drunk at the time. And I am a random critic, you are a random critic, he is a random critic, she is a random critic. we are all random critics.... each one of us on this site. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

04-08-2012, 01:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	let me change that a bit: If this thread [title] was, "who influence(d) the creation of punk", [then] I would say Link Wray is a contender. influence he may have had [on the style], but he did not "invent" the style in the slightest, his influence was in (on) rockabilly, not in (on) punk. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

04-08-2012, 11:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	What about prog-punk? Is there such a thing? Im sure there is. I know The Velvet ungerground were around before punk was a term, but Id consider them a experimental or progressive punk band, if you want to consider them punk at all, I would. Although I think punk is a poor way to describe them. Punk was kind of a regressive genre when you consider The VU and a band like The Sex Pistols, the genre was certainly moving backwards.