Musicfanatic

Rapping? Which song are you refering to? I can't recall Slayer rapping on Diabolus...

I loved Unforgiven II, and the 1st for that matter. I guess I just enjoyed lighter songs as well as heavier songs. Don't know who's the wisest; those who like the light songs or those who detest them...? That is basically what it comes down to, right? Who's the heavier metal head than the next. I love Kill 'Em All, which was their rawest, and in my opinion their heaviest. But I also love the Black Album. Sometimes I'll never understand the hatred towards lighter songs.

Forward To Death

It definitely wasn't bad. Their best since DI for sure.

It doesn't come down to wisdom, man, and I do like some softer Metallica songs. I just don't like The Unforgiven I, II, III, or the albums that they appeared on. Hetfield can't sing worth a ****. Whenever James sings, it sounds like that one guy who everyone knows that tries to really sing along with the radio, until 3 people simultaneously tell him to shut the **** up. The thing is, a lot of people can't accept ****ty vocals as being a good enough reason for not liking a song/artist.

If the music was as good as it was on the first four albums, it'd be a completely different story. I can listen to bands when the vocalist has gone to ****, or even if the vocalist is very annoying to listen to, as long as the music is still good as a whole. Metallica just tries to create songs that get played on the radio a lot, and some people might make exceptions for music that's intended to sell a lot of copies. I don't, and if I think something sucks, I don't give two ****s whether it was intended to sell millions of copies, or if it was intended to bomb in order to get out of contract, it ****ing sucks.

Metallica has ****ing sucked for as long as I've been alive, and the only reason I think of them as one of my all time favorite artists is because the strength of their first four albums. Kill Em All through Master of Puppets gets them a pass, but they should have retired 25 years ago.

Oh, and Slayer rapping/nu metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TZnvlAfD7I

Musicfanatic

Oh. I just thought that maybe you knew something I didn't... Thank goodness my musing was wrong.

Agree to disagree?

Is this when someone enjoys an album most others do not? Well, I love the Black Album, most do not. I, too, don't give a rat's patoot if it sold any copies at all, nor if the fans disparage it. And if I simply enjoyed it, I simply enjoyed it. I do care that others didn't care for it, it sucks, move on (me move on, not you, by the way) but that won't make me change my mind that I feel it's one of five masterpieces.


Are you yanking my chain? That doesn't sound like Nu-Metal to me. It sounds a lot like old Slayer if you asked me. But maybe I do not have that wisdom we were talking about to know when it's Nu-or-Uld-Metal...? Doesn't sound like Limp Bizkit, nor Slipknot, so... I'm not into much Nu-Metal, so I can only say that we need to agree to disagree...?

TheBig3

So thats, what then, Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning, ..., and Master of Puppets. Whats the 4th one?

And does that mean you were born in 1986, 1988, or 1991? 25 years ago was 1988, should they have released AJFA before they retired?

Your "hatred" for Metallica is uninspired and played out. So many bands went on to make a ton of **** music, and who cares? It doesn't change anything about what they've accomplished. Music isn't about averages.

Maybe they stopped making metal albums, but even if they had stayed the same, Metal changed because of them, but also it changed on them. If Ride the Lightning dropped into today's market, no metal fan would like it. Early thrash, like early rock and early rap are the music of aficionados and nerds.

Metallica needs to be left to their own devices. They should make the music they want to make and whether folks like you enjoy it or not, well, no ones forcing you to buy it. But we've seen what happens when they try to do music they don't want. They aren't 20-something any more, they aren't as angry as they were, let it go.

Metallica doesn't suck. They play and write better than most bands going, they just don't make music that they used to. No band does because its not a math formula, its about emotions. And if you feel the same at 40 as you did at 20 there is something wrong.

But this isn't about Metallica really, its about a group of people who were born after they "started sucking" and are asking for a band to do what they did before those asking were alive. Its a weird fetishism that defies logic. You never knew this band to be good, yet you invest so much emotional effort into tearing them down. why?

Because at the end of the day, attacking Metallica is less about music and more about the symbolism or the whole exercise. Its about going after supposed sell-outs who turned their back on what you assume to be a personal ideology. Well if you want my two cents, you ought to let go.

Metal has a oneupsmanship problem. Everyone is always trying to be more metal. And this is how we get this ridiculous Metallica bashing that we see here. In an effort to see who has a bigger dick, we're going to attack a dead horse for bragging rights.

Say what you will about the band, it will always say more about you.

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DropThaSystem

Definetly Slayer. Metallica only had a few good albums. They went downhill quite a bit.

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William_the_Bloody

I'm suprised this poll is as close as it is. Slayer fans are pretty committed, and I understand that a knew generation likes them for never selling out, but the fact is Metallica is generally cited as the better band, and next to Black Sabbath, they're a probably the most influential metal band of all time.

Composition wise & artistically, Slayer's landmark album Reign in Blood doesn't hold a candle to Master of Puppets. I respect Slayer for what they are, but they were always more one dimensional than Metallica. And when Metallica began to venture forth into megastardom in the 90's, Slayer began to sputter.

I do have a question I would like answered though, it being, how much of the songwriting did Cliff Burton do? because Metallica's first three albums are untouchable.

Forward To Death

You make some good points, but at the end of the day Metallica still sucks.

James can't sing, and you're absolutely right, they've become less a heavy metal band (and more of a rock band, really). I won't disagree with you, because honestly you're just saying the same thing I am, but being nice about it and emphasizing that we shouldn't beat a dead horse.

The Batlord

So was it a grower or something? I bought it when it came out and have been too indifferent to give it more than a few spins ever since. There was just nothing on there that really got my attention.

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Mojo

It really doesn't seem to me that you two are saying the same thing. Also, if you don't like any Metallica record after Master of Puppets then thats fair enough, I don't think you would be met with much criticism for that, but you don't seem to offer much of an insight as to why you think this way.

To say "You make some good points, but at the end of the day Metallica still sucks" gives the impression that for all the insight Big3 did offer, your response was to simply claim that you are right and he is wrong.

Whether or not Metallica sucks, and whether or not James can sing or not, are both opinion and subjective.

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Not for me. I liked the first time I listened to it. I honestly think it feels like a direct follow up to Seasons in the Abyss, and I mean that in a very complimentary way.

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