Dream Theater--Greatest Metal Band of this Era (lyrics, rock, hendrix)

boo boo · 04-10-2006, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Don

If ANYONE believes that...

That'd be as bad as believing that social worker thing lol.

Hes a poster i know from DigitalDreamDoor, his username is Mike R...And he played a part in making the list i sent you, you said it didnt work, so here it is again.

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/forum1/v...t=2857&start=0

Hendrix · 04-10-2006, 04:55 AM

1) Tone does not determine how good you are. Yes, there is obviously good and bad tone and the only thing that is "good" or "bad" is how well it affects your intonation. Your tone is determined through your facial structures such as your brow shape and your cheekbones. This is why you sound similar to your dad, or your brother. Anyway, after good or bad tone, it's all subjective. Tone is natural, you will always have your tone..you can change your timbre, but you will always have the underlying tone.

2) While range takes skill, it is nothing without control of the voice. Anybody who knows vocals would know that at what volume you sing a certain pitch determines more of your skill level, and how consistantly you can hold it at that volume for how long. This is why a lot of rock singers will never do well in a choir, because they don't have good enough control. Control takes MUSCLE..blaring out an E5 at a certain high decibal level does not make you god automatically. In fact, singing a higher pitch at a higher volume is much much much easier.

3) LaBrie has nowhere near the best range in rock. While he is a fairly good singer when he wants to be, saying he has the best range in rock is very naive. Jeff Buckley's range was between an A2 and an Eb6, for example. His father was rumored to have a 4.5 octave range. Miljenko Matijevic from Steelheart can hit the A above high A in head voice (Buckley can hit 2 semitones below this in FULL). Roy Khan is a professionally trained opera singer from Kamelot and can do the same stuff, except with much control. Now, I never said LaBrie didn't have control, but compared to some other guys, he does not.

I once emailed Adam Lopez, the world record holder for the highest note ever recorded and the pro opera singer, some Kamelot with Roy Khan. He was so impressed with him that he wanted to buy some albums of his. This coming from a pro opera singer who teaches voice at a college and backs up Mariah Carrey sometimes.

I also let my former classical voice teacher listen, and he told me the same and how he would do very very well on broadway. I also had him listen to Grace by Jeff Buckley. First words out of his mouth were "wow, this guy's voice is amazing!"

boo boo · 04-10-2006, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Don

That's funny, that's exactly what I feel about boo boo. I always back up my knowledge if it's worth doing so.

EG: I am sitting on a chair...do I really have to prove to you that I'm doing that?

I listed singers who were better, and i even gave you the octave range averages of some of them and compared them to LaBries.

What knowledge?

LaBries range is nothing unheard of in rock, his range is about equal to say Dickinsons, only Dickinson has better control, power, tone, etc.

boo boo · 04-10-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hendrix

1) Tone does not determine how good you are. Yes, there is obviously good and bad tone and the only thing that is "good" or "bad" is how well it affects your intonation. Your tone is determined through your facial structures such as your brow shape and your cheekbones. This is why you sound similar to your dad, or your brother. Anyway, after good or bad tone, it's all subjective. Tone is natural, you will always have your tone..you can change your timbre, but you will always have the underlying tone.

2) While range takes skill, it is nothing without control of the voice. Anybody who knows vocals would know that at what volume you sing a certain pitch determines more of your skill level, and how consistantly you can hold it at that volume for how long. This is why a lot of rock singers will never do well in a choir, because they don't have good enough control. Control takes MUSCLE..blaring out an E5 at a certain high decibal level does not make you god automatically. In fact, singing a higher pitch at a higher volume is much much much easier.

3) LaBrie has nowhere near the best range in rock. While he is a fairly good singer when he wants to be, saying he has the best range in rock is very naive. Jeff Buckley's range was between an A2 and an Eb6, for example. His father was rumored to have a 4.5 octave range. Miljenko Matijevic from Steelheart can hit the A above high A in head voice (Buckley can hit 2 semitones below this in FULL). Roy Khan is a professionally trained opera singer from Kamelot and can do the same stuff, except with much control. Now, I never said LaBrie didn't have control, but compared to some other guys, he does not.

I once emailed Adam Lopez, the world record holder for the highest note ever recorded and the pro opera singer, some Kamelot with Roy Khan. He was so impressed with him that he wanted to buy some albums of his. This coming from a pro opera singer who teaches voice at a college and backs up Mariah Carrey sometimes.

I also let my former classical voice teacher listen, and he told me the same and how he would do very very well on broadway. I also had him listen to Grace by Jeff Buckley. First words out of his mouth were "wow, this guy's voice is amazing!"

^ Classically trained singer dude.

~~Don~~ · 04-10-2006, 04:59 AM

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1) Tone does not determine how good you are. Yes, there is obviously good and bad tone and the only thing that is "good" or "bad" is how well it affects your intonation. Your tone is determined through your facial structures such as your brow shape and your cheekbones. This is why you sound similar to your dad, or your brother. Anyway, after good or bad tone, it's all subjective. Tone is natural, you will always have your tone..you can change your timbre, but you will always have the underlying tone.

You failed to mention tonal expression. In other words, the ability to sing creating dark moods or consonant moods, etc.

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3) LaBrie has nowhere near the best range in rock. While he is a fairly good singer when he wants to be, saying he has the best range in rock is very naive. Jeff Buckley's range was between an A2 and an Eb6, for example. His father was rumored to have a 4.5 octave range. Miljenko Matijevic from Steelheart can hit the A above high A in head voice (Buckley can hit 2 semitones below this in FULL). Roy Khan is a professionally trained opera singer from Kamelot and can do the same stuff, except with much control. Now, I never said LaBrie didn't have control, but compared to some other guys, he does not.

Yes I agree and all I said was LaBrie has a great range not that he had the greatest. I was combining the two most important aspects in singing and saying that LaBrie is up there.

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I once emailed Adam Lopez, the world record holder for the highest note ever recorded and the pro opera singer, some Kamelot with Roy Khan. He was so impressed with him that he wanted to buy some albums of his. This coming from a pro opera singer who teaches voice at a college and backs up Mariah Carrey sometimes.

I think Georgia Brown holds that record, but I could be mistaken. And yeah Roy Khan rules hard.

Hendrix · 04-10-2006, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Don

You failed to mention tonal expression. In other words, the ability to sing creating dark moods or consonant moods, etc.

3) LaBrie has nowhere near the best range in rock. While he is a fairly good singer when he wants to be, saying he has the best range in rock is very naive. Jeff Buckley's range was between an A2 and an Eb6, for example. His father was rumored to have a 4.5 octave range. Miljenko Matijevic from Steelheart can hit the A above high A in head voice (Buckley can hit 2 semitones below this in FULL). Roy Khan is a professionally trained opera singer from Kamelot and can do the same stuff, except with much control. Now, I never said LaBrie didn't have control, but compared to some other guys, he does not.

Yes I agree and all I said was LaBrie has a great range not that he had the greatest. I was combining to two most important aspects in singing.

I think Georgia Brown holds that record, but I could be mistaken

Expression in vocals is not very hard if you can find a way to relate to the lyrics. That is why you sit down with the lyrics if you didn't write them and analyze. What was the writer going for? What does he want us to feel? If you can decipher that, emotion and how well you create moods is not that hard if you've been singing for a while. The choir I was in was known for great emotion, and we didn't even try that hard after analyzation.

and no, Adam Lopez owns the world record. Go to the guinness site and look up "highest vocal note" (I can't post URLs yet I guess).

It says "by a male," but it's actually by human being.

~~Don~~ · 04-10-2006, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Hes a poster i know from DigitalDreamDoor, his username is Mike R...And he played a part in making the list i sent you, you said it didnt work, so here it is again.

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/forum1/v...t=2857&start=0

I somewhat believed you were talking to someone, what I didn't believe was him thinking I was a moron.

boo boo · 04-10-2006, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Don

I somewhat believed you were talking to someone, what I didn't believe was him thinking I was a moron.

CrappyGuitar18: he said LaBrie has one of the greatest ranges in rock

jhendrix86: LOL
jhendrix86: ahh
jhendrix86: what an idiot

~~Don~~ · 04-10-2006, 05:09 AM

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Expression in vocals is not very hard if you can find a way to relate to the lyrics. That is why you sit down with the lyrics if you didn't write them and analyze. What was the writer going for? What does he want us to feel? If you can decipher that, emotion and how well you create moods is not that hard if you've been singing for a while. The choir I was in was known for great emotion, and we didn't even try that hard after analyzation.

Right on, sometimes the most important thing about singing is the way you express the lyrics. And this is what I meant by tonal expression. You could be singing a dark song but perhaps if you don't menace your voice, then perhaps you've lost a key connection with the audience and with the art.

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and no, Adam Lopez owns the world record. Go to the guinness site and look up "highest vocal note" (I can't post URLs yet I guess).

It says "by a male," but it's actually by human being

Just looked it up buddy, it's Georgia Brown. Adam holds it for a male, correct.

Hendrix · 04-10-2006, 05:09 AM

well it is 6am, and i do hold firmly to my beliefs about vocals.

04-10-2006, 04:55 AM	#102 (permalink)
Hendrix Groupie Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 19	1) Tone does not determine how good you are. Yes, there is obviously good and bad tone and the only thing that is "good" or "bad" is how well it affects your intonation. Your tone is determined through your facial structures such as your brow shape and your cheekbones. This is why you sound similar to your dad, or your brother. Anyway, after good or bad tone, it's all subjective. Tone is natural, you will always have your tone..you can change your timbre, but you will always have the underlying tone. 2) While range takes skill, it is nothing without control of the voice. Anybody who knows vocals would know that at what volume you sing a certain pitch determines more of your skill level, and how consistantly you can hold it at that volume for how long. This is why a lot of rock singers will never do well in a choir, because they don't have good enough control. Control takes MUSCLE..blaring out an E5 at a certain high decibal level does not make you god automatically. In fact, singing a higher pitch at a higher volume is much much much easier. 3) LaBrie has nowhere near the best range in rock. While he is a fairly good singer when he wants to be, saying he has the best range in rock is very naive. Jeff Buckley's range was between an A2 and an Eb6, for example. His father was rumored to have a 4.5 octave range. Miljenko Matijevic from Steelheart can hit the A above high A in head voice (Buckley can hit 2 semitones below this in FULL). Roy Khan is a professionally trained opera singer from Kamelot and can do the same stuff, except with much control. Now, I never said LaBrie didn't have control, but compared to some other guys, he does not. I once emailed Adam Lopez, the world record holder for the highest note ever recorded and the pro opera singer, some Kamelot with Roy Khan. He was so impressed with him that he wanted to buy some albums of his. This coming from a pro opera singer who teaches voice at a college and backs up Mariah Carrey sometimes. I also let my former classical voice teacher listen, and he told me the same and how he would do very very well on broadway. I also had him listen to Grace by Jeff Buckley. First words out of his mouth were "wow, this guy's voice is amazing!"

04-10-2006, 05:09 AM	#110 (permalink)
Hendrix Groupie Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 19	well it is 6am, and i do hold firmly to my beliefs about vocals.