Metal Wars!!!!!!!!!!!

**Janszoon** · 02-20-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

worked fine for me this morning (your previous night)

Perhaps you could send me the link you found then.

~~James~~ · 02-20-2012, 10:26 AM

I mailed you a link.

Blarobbarg · 02-20-2012, 10:34 AM

Well I listened to Naked City and am in the process of listening to In This Life. I'm going to have to go with what Unknown Soldier said. Naked City is interesting and all, but is NOT metal. Mostly jazz fusion type stuff, with grindcore/jazz freakouts put intermittently throughout. Mordred, however, is. And though I wouldn't say I am loving the Mordred album, it's certainly listenable, if not enjoyable. Point goes to Mordred.

Naked City -5
Mordred -2

**Janszoon** · 02-20-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by James

I mailed you a link.

Gracias!

Unknown Soldier · 02-22-2012, 02:27 AM

With no more votes likely to come in, Naked City win the first face-off 5:2, next up is the challenger from Boston Maudlin of the Well, who are decribed as being an avant-garde metal band.

What Jack Says:
Maudlin Of The Well - On the opposite end to Naked City's almost scatological approach to music and Jazz elements, Maudlin are much more atmospheric in their use of different genres but no less potent. Utilising Death Metal and almost Ambient Jazz in one single track without the song losing structure and appeal is no mean feat.

Naked City Naked City 1989

Versus

Maudlin Of The Well Leaving Your Body Map 2001

**Frownland** · 02-22-2012, 07:51 AM

This one is going to be hard. I need to sleep on it.

Mondo Bungle · 02-22-2012, 07:51 AM

Goddammit I love both these bands.

Naked City - 1
Maudlin of the well - 0

It comes down to chaos vs atmosphere for me, and I choose chaos. I also just can't vote against John Zorn. MotW still rules, but I'm voting in an erratic mood. If I wasn't, I'd vote them, that album flows so well.

hip hop bunny hop · 02-22-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

Yeah I'm not as chubby on Converge as most, don't get me wrong, they're alright but I don't think they're god's gift to hardcore metal. If not from hardcore, where does grindcore (in its purest form--not deathgrind, pornogrind, etc.) draw it's influence from?

The liner notes in Horrified state that Repulsion's influences were, most regularly, Celtic Frost, Slayer, & Discharge.

Early Napalm Death is a bit more difficult to nail down, what with the constantly shifting members, but in an interview I read with (then quite, quite young) Justin Broadrick he mentioned Throbbing Gristle as an influence, which isn't too surprising considering where that led. However, this shouldn't be discounted as an aberration, considering that Mick Harris also seems to have had similar interests and influences.

There's also a bit of death metal influence in the early bands that became more evident as time went on, and it's a bit hard to delineate considering the confluence of Repulsion/Death (which were the same band at one point), as well as that of Terrorizer/Morbid Angel, Terrorizer/Napalm Death, etc.

So, yeah, there's a hardcore influence, but it's hardcore sans scary quotes. It's the hardcore of Negative Approach, Discharge, etc.. Not the "hardcore" of Converge, Fall of Troy, and that kind.

Really, what mystifies me is why what appears to be two very distinct genres are both labelled hardcore.

~~James~~ · 02-22-2012, 01:14 PM

This is a tough one, need to revisit that maudlin of the well album.

The Batlord · 02-22-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Really, what mystifies me is why what appears to be two very distinct genres are both labelled hardcore.

Cause calling it metalcore isn't cool anymore?

02-22-2012, 07:51 AM	#1006 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	This one is going to be hard. I need to sleep on it. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-20-2012, 10:26 AM	#1002 (permalink)
~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	I mailed you a link.

02-20-2012, 10:34 AM	#1003 (permalink)
Blarobbarg Do good. Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota Posts: 2,065	Well I listened to Naked City and am in the process of listening to In This Life. I'm going to have to go with what Unknown Soldier said. Naked City is interesting and all, but is NOT metal. Mostly jazz fusion type stuff, with grindcore/jazz freakouts put intermittently throughout. Mordred, however, is. And though I wouldn't say I am loving the Mordred album, it's certainly listenable, if not enjoyable. Point goes to Mordred. Naked City -5 Mordred -2

02-22-2012, 02:27 AM	#1005 (permalink)
Unknown Soldier Horribly Creative Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, The Big Smoke Posts: 8,265	With no more votes likely to come in, Naked City win the first face-off 5:2, next up is the challenger from Boston Maudlin of the Well, who are decribed as being an avant-garde metal band. What Jack Says: Maudlin Of The Well - On the opposite end to Naked City's almost scatological approach to music and Jazz elements, Maudlin are much more atmospheric in their use of different genres but no less potent. Utilising Death Metal and almost Ambient Jazz in one single track without the song losing structure and appeal is no mean feat. Naked City Naked City 1989 Versus Maudlin Of The Well Leaving Your Body Map 2001

02-22-2012, 01:14 PM	#1009 (permalink)
~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	This is a tough one, need to revisit that maudlin of the well album.