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Old 07-13-2012, 07:16 PM   #191 (permalink)
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Roots is special for a number of reasons. Firstly, Sepultura were very adept at blending in ethnic elements into their music which wasn't a new concept, but in Sepultura's case they blended in cultural elements from their own country to amazing effect. Secondly, there was a genuine anger in most of their songs towards the repressive governement and injustices within their own country. Thirdly, Max Cavalera and the rest of the band were simply born to play metal and fourthly, few metal bands have been capable of combining both visceral mayhem with savage intensity across their disacography as Sepultura were capable of. Roots is their best album but the first half of their discography is amazing, as this was the album the band had worked towards throughout their musical career, its quite simply a groove metal monster!!! Even after like 50 listens it can still blow me away. The band knew they could never produce anything quite like it again and it was downhill from there on.
Roots is a **** album. It's filled with redundant, ineffective riffs, idiotic breakdowns, lyrics that are cringe worthy..... the "ethnic elements" are so cheesy, so poorly executed, it's like a giant spoiler on the back of a white Civic with a black hood.

They went downhill, and quickly, after "Arise".
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:15 PM   #192 (permalink)
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They went downhill, and quickly, after "Arise".
I wouldn't go so far as to say they went downhill right after "Arise", although "Arise" is one of their best albums. I think the period of time expanding from "Arise" to "Chaos A.D." was their apex.

Now as far as the original topic is concerned... its just.. too obtuse. But if I were to go for it, thinking "What do I think of when I think "Metal"?", I would be thinking old (at least 20 years), jean jackets, patches, long hair.... **** it, "Master of Puppets".

Go ahead, jump down my throat.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:19 PM   #193 (permalink)
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Roots is a **** album. It's filled with redundant, ineffective riffs, idiotic breakdowns, lyrics that are cringe worthy..... the "ethnic elements" are so cheesy, so poorly executed, it's like a giant spoiler on the back of a white Civic with a black hood.

They went downhill, and quickly, after "Arise".
If by "went downhill quickly" you mean "released their two best albums" then I agree.
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Old 07-14-2012, 02:17 AM   #194 (permalink)
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I wouldn't go so far as to say they went downhill right after "Arise", although "Arise" is one of their best albums. I think the period of time expanding from "Arise" to "Chaos A.D." was their apex.

Now as far as the original topic is concerned... its just.. too obtuse. But if I were to go for it, thinking "What do I think of when I think "Metal"?", I would be thinking old (at least 20 years), jean jackets, patches, long hair.... **** it, "Master of Puppets".

Go ahead, jump down my throat.
Well, you basically said what I was afraid to. Master of Puppets is right smack dab in the epicenter of Metal's cultural relevance. It's a fantastic, cohesive album from start to finish and it's bassist's Cliff Burton's swan song to boot. It also pretty well marks the apex of Metallica's career. Bay area thrash at it's very finest. I couldn't agree more.
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:32 AM   #195 (permalink)
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Roots is a **** album. It's filled with redundant, ineffective riffs, idiotic breakdowns, lyrics that are cringe worthy..... the "ethnic elements" are so cheesy, so poorly executed, it's like a giant spoiler on the back of a white Civic with a black hood.

They went downhill, and quickly, after "Arise".
Given that you don't tend to like groove metal that much, I wouldn't expect you to like either Chaos A.D or Roots. I totally disagree about poor execution, the band were just too focused at that stage, to give us an album of poor breakdowns, poor riffs and filler. I think you must be confusing them, with one of your bargain basement scraping-the-barrel black metal acts.
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:25 AM   #196 (permalink)
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At least we can all agree which isn't the best metal album of all time

If this were 4chan this would be a meme already.
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I just lol with all the sub genre crap. I mean, in the end, it's only rock n' roll. Hell, look what happened to progressive rock. There are so many of these sub genre's broke off from this, it's insane. Metal is absolutely a sub genre of progressive rock. I was there
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I just lol with all the sub genre crap. I mean, in the end, it's only rock n' roll. Hell, look what happened to progressive rock. There are so many of these sub genre's broke off from this, it's insane. Metal is absolutely a sub genre of progressive rock. I was there
A subgenre of prog? Meh, I don't really buy that. There was certainly a lot of overlap between early metal and prog back in the 70s, but to say metal as a whole is a subgenre of prog as of 2012 is quite a stretch.
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I just lol with all the sub genre crap. I mean, in the end, it's only rock n' roll. Hell, look what happened to progressive rock. There are so many of these sub genre's broke off from this, it's insane. Metal is absolutely a sub genre of progressive rock. I was there
Metal a sub genre of prog rock, that's the best joke I've heard this week. You were there were you?
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:20 PM   #200 (permalink)
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Well that would figure. You guys are born in the 70's & 80's lol
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