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I've never really liked them, some songs are good, but it seem their music gets worse every year.

By the way Frog, how are you? Hope you visit my board soon....Ciao

Yes i agree with you thomas but yer i dont really no

if their music gets worse every yr i blame each new bassist... jj i loved jason and cliff and i love rob and the other 1

Jason Newsted was too good for metallica. They didn't let him play to 1/10 of his potential. Just a listen to Flotsam and Jetsam's Doomsday for the Deceiver is enough to know that. Metallica got worse because after .....And Justice For All they sold out. I'm usually hesitant to say that about a band, but in the case of Metallica that's exactly what happened.

did jason leave or was he told to leave?

I think it was a conflict of interests. Metallicas attitude toward Jason was like "you'll play what we tell you to play" Jason wanted more creative freedom than that. whether he left or was kicked out, I don't know.

he left because he realized metallica (who once were known as one of the heaviest bands around) were getting old, and the music was getting stale plus he was always an outsider. He plays for Voivod now, who brutalizes anything metallica has put out in the past 10 years or more. funny turn of events, jason plays bass for ozzy now also, replacing Rob Trujillo (new bassist for metallica)

:yikes:VOIVOD!??!?!??! HOW F**KING COOL IS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't even know they were still around. Sounds like a perfect match for him!

my mum bought me how to dismantle an atom bomb for christmas- worst gift ive ever recieved. if listening to some conceited, self-righteous prick who insists on wearing shades indoors and a bloke who sounds like he belongs in the WWE as they sing about beautiful days and one love floats your boat then your boat must be a very flimsy boat indeed.

i agree with the big rain dog guy.

See, I could rant and rave and bitch and moan about this topic for hours.
Except I like some Metallica songs and really, I have no right to complain if I don't like it.

The one thing I will say, is that Lars Ulrich is a F..king dip-s..t who should've been thrown out of the band long ago . . . if only he wasn't such a kick ass drummer.

Oh, and, St. Anger was Sh!t.

metallica arent metal they're ppl, u mite hurt their feelins callin them big heavy silver lumps

the way i see it
 

The way i see it, i saw M about 15 times in my life every year the tickets got higher, most of their CDs ive bought a dozen or more times, (Im old) LOL i have seen Cliff Burton at the Whiskey, posters T-shirts Patches Hats DVDs a closet full of Rock magazines featuring them, you name it i bought it because it feature them. over a half a lifetime on can rack up alot of junk. i paid for my downloads a hundred times, i have over 30k albums, tapes and cds, i have alot invested in music, but a 16yr old kid looking for new music dows not.

what i think should have been done about the whole napster thing was this.
napster was/is an online application for sharing music, therefore it can have certain commands written into it like limiting the kbps that a file can be downloaded at all files uploaded could have been converted to 128kbs low quality but it gives you a chance to sample the music before you buy it, and no loss to the artist record company and most of all napster, would have benifited all, but the M crew are Bay area weenies bunch of greedy liberals.

it seems hollywood has even turned on us as well as advertisers, its all about the money, but the music industry went after recordable tapes in the 80s then the mp3 format in the 90s and shortly after the started picking on us. i know people who got 2 and 3 thousand dollar BULLY letters stating they is no offer of a settlement please pay this amount. fortunately when i got my letter i had very little on my machines that i downloaded without having. maybe 1000 songs today out of over a million i have digitaly stored. the UPCs i scanned them one page each and sent 11 bundles of paper to the lawyers office that sent me the letter without ever opening the second box all scans were returned to me unopened and the issue was dropped .and sticking them with the postage both times. what i want to know is how they had a list of every file on my computers , not just the mp3s but every file? were my rights violated for profiteering? who gave anyone the right to enter my home and violate my computer without my permission? stand up to for yourself you may gain more ground than you would normally, you are your own responsiblity and yours alone. and most of all stand up to the entertainment business, if we dont it will cost us 10 times what it does to go to a movie just to watch or listen to it at home, they want to charge you for the convience? like 7-11.
example Blue-Ray yeah looks great, after almost 2 decades of DVD of course it does its about time, took them long enough should we get a discount? oh hell no now we want you to pay more even though we have know about the tech for years and could have used it, we just werent finished milking you yet. i say download like hell and store it on an external drive, paybacks a bitch...Starting with M

Man, do I get tired of people badmouthing Metallica about the whole Napster thing. I'm not a big fan of theirs by any means and don't think they've really done anything worthwhile since the late 80s/early 90s, but I get really sick of people acting like we all have a god-given right to free music. Personally I don't think file sharing is a big deal but if Metallica does, so what? They're the ones making the music, I think they have a right to decide how they do and don't want it distributed.

Wow...this was one of the first, if not the first thread I ever made here. http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c.../radosnice.gif

So yeah, bumping 3 year old discussions is generally not a good idea.

Heh. It's like MetallicaSucks came here for this sole purpose. :laughing:

Why I hate Metallica: Because their fans will call most other music 'pussy' and will dismiss anything that's not metal as garbage. Oh and they all think that 'Master of Puppets' is a lyrical masterpiece :banghead:

This band's had 2 good bassist's, and overrated arragont drummer, and some ok music.

Master Of Puppets was the OK Computer of the mid 80's. I have since found fault with both but never knock an album that was culturally important as it was musically.

I was talking about the song, not the album. 4 times, from 4 different Metallica fans, I have been told that that song has the best lyrics of any song ever

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I dont like them for the simple facts that: They're just not very good musicians. Lars is a ****, and a **** drummer, downright horrible. Hetfield is supposedly some "guitar god", yet, IMHO(and Im sure I'm wrong) I think he just plays average stuff, and isn't "innovative, influential, iconic, or legendary", he's just average. Kirk Hammett isn't a vg guitarist either, but again, thats just me.

I dont know much abou their bassist, so, I'd have to say, by sheer association to the other 3, he sucks too. Jason Newstead was ok.

The thing about Metallica that I dont get is, They do the same ****ing thing that AC/DC gets lauded for all the time, playing/making the same ****ing record over and over again. When AC/DC does it, all we hear about is how they "make the same records over and over"& how bad they suck, and how they're not any good. Yet, when Metallica does it, they're "Iconic/Legendary/Innovative/etc. & it's hte greatest album ever...blah blah ****ing blah."

Admittedly, I've never been a Metallica fan, and frankly, think they're a **** band. I dont understand why everyone licks their ass all the time? I don't own a single song or cd by them, and that'll probably never change, I just dont think thy're a vg band. Neither is: Megadeath, and I've met Dave Mustaine, and think the only bigger DOUCHE in life is Lars Ullrich.


Plus, they sued Napster, only to succumb to letting their music be put onto peer to peer sites, so they can make even more $$$(which goes against what they supposedly "sued" for in the first place). Not to mention, they're huge hypocrites.

4 and a half good albums makes them fairly notable in my opinion.

Cliff Burton was top 5 greatest metal bassist, ever. Rob>Jason.
Jason was the worst bassist Metallica has had.

Surely, someone will call me out on this, Rob has played in other bands. He is talented, he just isn't playing with very good band-mates.

As the not owning an album, BUY ONE. The RTL-era was good Tallica'.

BTW, I'm not a huge Tallica' fan, they're probably in my top 60-70 favorite bands, though.

I don't hate them for the napster thing. Imagine not being paid for your work. It boils down to that. People think they suck for defending themselves because they want free music. What, I ask, entitles you to free music?

If I hired you to shovel my driveway and you didn't get paid....you'd ask a few questions, no?

Why so much hate over the Napster thing. It's stealing but it has a cool name. Don't be a sheep and rip on it without thinking it over.

As someone else pointed out to you in another thread, Metallica has actually changed a lot over the course of their career. Most of the change was bad but there is no denying that modern day Metallica bears very little resemblance to Metallica at the beginning of their career.

Unfortunately true. God their early stuff was good. I mean it was the best stuff around. I may not like them now but I'm the first one to say wow they were freaking awesome. I miss it.

Ill hold my hands up and admit that while I usually like to READ a thread before I contribute I simply cannot be bothered with this one. I know what it contains, the same old **** I've heard for years as has everyone else. I will make a few comments:

1) Jason Newstead contributed very, very little to Metallica. No big loss and Rob will do just fine.

2) "Kirk Hammett isn't a vg guitarist either" - Im no Hammet fanboy but surely you mean hes an over-rated guitarist? The 8 year old kid a few doors down from me is not a very good guitarist. Dimebag Darrell bored the living **** out of me but im not going to say that he wasnt "good".

3) Couldnt this have just gone in the Metallica thread? Or even the Metallica vs Megadeth thread that are populated by people already discussing Metallica?

4) "how can anyone listen to a band that stood at the forefront of the battle against napster?" - Because their music has absolutely nothing to do with their views on Napster. Should vegetarians boycott the music of meat eaters? The two things are acually just as relevant to me in reasons to either listen to or not listen to music. The vegetarian thing might actually sound more relevant to me as thats probably worth caring about more than a P2P.

5) "seeming that they're supposed to be an "alternative" band i was completely shocked by their actions." - Why does the label 'alternative' make any difference? Are they even alternative?

6) "why did they do that when we know they're rolling in money" - How much money Metallica have also makes no difference. They spend years planning, writing and recording music just as every other artist does. If they want to give it away for free then Hallelujah, if not then ideally that should be their decision. It is THEIR music, it is THEIR work, they can do whatever the hell they want with it and ideally they shouldnt have to just accept that those kind of decisions can be made for them. The internet has changed everything, it has made piracy so much easier and so much harder to police but for artists it creates the problem that no matter how much work they put into a new record it will DEFINITELY be made available for free on the internet whether they want it to be or not. In an ideal world I'm sure the majority of artists would say that those decisions should be down to them. You dont EXPECT music to be free, do you? You should at least be able to understand that a band not wanting their music to be ILLEGALLY downloaded off the internet is perfectly understandable and even though I download, i dont want to sound all high and mighty about it, the recording industry is certainly losing money because of it. For someone who signs up to a music related board and therefore probably claims to LOVE music you are ready to write off a band who wont give you their music for free? Do you have a favourite band? If they went on record and said they were against downloading and didnt want their music to be ripped off would you buy it or turn against them?

Yeah, I don't get all the hate for Kirk Hammett. Not only do I think he's a pretty good guitarist but he also seems like he's the nicest guy in the band. Plus he's apparently the person who convinced Les Claypool to pick up the bass, he deserves some kind of award for that.

Hes either the nicest in the band or the most boring. It depends what side of the fence you sit on. I liked how he was the one trying to get in the middle of Lars and James in the SKOM film and was all "peace and love" until Lars expressed his belief that the new album would have no guitar solo's because they were out-dated and un-necessary. That made me laugh.

Heh. I still haven't seen that movie. I may have to watch it now.

Boring if you arent a Metalica fan. Quite interesting if you are. As i mentioned in another thread it shows Metallica being complete and utter pricks to one another, doesnt portray them in a good light at all, is a little depressing to watch at times but I have a lot of respect for them releasing it due to all of those reasons. Personally after watching it I would have expected them to have blocked its release or at least instructed the film makers to edit it to show them in a more flattering light rather than leaving everything in.

The doc is definitely worth a watch but it does'nt warrant multiple viewings and Hammett does come across as TOO nice at times.

Oh boy, I hate to be dragged into this conversation again after almost 4 years, so I'll just add this:

No, of course I wouldn't turn against them (I probably still wouldn't buy it because I just can't afford it). I agree that statement was stupid. But, most of the bands I listen to are on small labels and aren't millionaires. I would understand if they minded their music being downloaded for free, because their livelihood literally depends on it. Metallica's did not, which is why I felt they shouldn't have been so vocal about it.

Well first of all you ripped that speech of South Park, and second every band was against the ****ing napster, that's not an excuse. The reason they ask for money is because their musicians and that's what musicians do, the play for money ****ing idiot. Second I've read about metallica's biography and they got every reason to be an ******* or a sensitive jackass, one of their band members died has well in an accident. The music by metallica is legend, they have skill like no other band I don't care if they wet their bed in real life I listen to the music not their real life winning. You you stay listening to Britney and I'll stay with metallica.
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Oh I forgot, tell me another guitarist that can play like Kirk Hammett

I'll name plenty that are better:

Tony Iommi
Jason Becker
Ritchie Blackmore
Eddie Van Halen
Alex Skolnick
Yngwie Malmsteen
Steve Vai
Paul Gilbert
Alex Lifeson
Gary Moore
Marty Friedman
Adrian Smith
Randy Rhoads
Micheal Schneker
Chuck Schuildner

Kirk is only top 25-30 greatest in metal

Guitarists in famous metal band don't make great guitarists. Iommi and Blackmore were at the forefront of metal but their work is built around simple riffs and linear soloing. They were never (at least in a traditional sense) "good" guitarists. Songwriters - absolutely.

I do agree with you about Kirk. He is consistently overrated, but mostly by people who haven't listened to enough metal to fill a teacup.