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Mojo 12-21-2008 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 567189)
Guitarists in famous metal band don't make great guitarists.
Thats quite a statement to make. You dont even leave yourself with ANY room for error or exceptions?

scottsy 12-29-2008 10:12 PM
Saw Some Kind of Monster when it came out - an interesting and fairly honest / revelaing documentary - was really interesting to see how a set of relationships in a band changes when one member needs to step out to save himself, the tension of Hetfeild leaving, and then the tension of him coming back - very much a changed person.

One thing I always wondered was why the pyschologist wanted to keep working with the band at the end when they VERY clearly were moving in a direction when they didn't need him - that just struck me as weird on his part... and I am kinda glad they let him go, because his psychobabble could get kinda annoying...

Roygbiv 12-29-2008 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 59465)
.i saw this documentary about them, and they were all talking about their feelings like some women...
I talk about my feelings.

TheBig3 12-29-2008 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 567189)
Guitarists in famous metal band don't make great guitarists. Iommi and Blackmore were at the forefront of metal but their work is built around simple riffs and linear soloing. They were never (at least in a traditional sense) "good" guitarists. Songwriters - absolutely.

I do agree with you about Kirk. He is consistently overrated, but mostly by people who haven't listened to enough metal to fill a teacup.
Why would they have to listen to Metal to appreciate him? Thats foolish.

Half the metal that could fill a tea cup is self-indulgent noodling, with the only redeeming quality being that it isn't the rage-tard on the microphone who can't give himself an aneurysm soon enough.

Mojo 12-30-2008 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by scottsy (Post 570759)

One thing I always wondered was why the pyschologist wanted to keep working with the band at the end when they VERY clearly were moving in a direction when they didn't need him - that just struck me as weird on his part... and I am kinda glad they let him go, because his psychobabble could get kinda annoying...
I thought it was a combination of the man treating them like he would any other patient and willing them to stay on if he viewed his work as unfinished....and wanting to tour with one of the biggest metal bands on the planet like a 14 year old girl.

punkrawker07 12-30-2008 12:16 PM
hmmmmmm.........reasons to hate metallica. there are so many. they may have had a lot going for them in the beginning but when you start getting driven by marketing and money your whole image and music goes down the drain. some kind of monster? lame and pathetic. metallica's version of a reality show. no one wants to see a bunch of grown men in a metal band crying about their feelings. i'll give them props for their early work and i actually don't mind their new release other then it being a little repetitive and the vocals and lyrics have gone downhill. lars is a douche and they should just retire as death magnetic is probably as good as they'll ever do now.

lucifer_sam 12-30-2008 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 570776)
Why would they have to listen to Metal to appreciate him? Thats foolish.

Half the metal that could fill a tea cup is self-indulgent noodling, with the only redeeming quality being that it isn't the rage-tard on the microphone who can't give himself an aneurysm soon enough.
I'm saying that the people who hold Kirk in such high esteem haven't heard anything by similarly talented artists: Devin Townsend, Lee Altus, Marty Friedman, Mikael Akerfeldt, etc. They're not obscure and they certainly aren't noodlers. But they put Hammett to shame easily enough.

TheBig3 12-30-2008 11:04 PM
Right, out of the people I know on that list, their noodlers.

Yes they are obscure. And whats "put Hammett to shame."

How? why? Their limited in understanding the organics of a song. When people immerse themselves too much in one genre they can hear differences that a majority of people hear as all the same.

Edit: and by the by, if their similarly talents, what are you basing that on?

metallicafan27 01-02-2009 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 59500)
Why can't your plane go down? Both bands are the pinnacle of what music is, and just cause it doesn't fit your preteen defnition of what music is (fast angry and loud) doesn't mean their crap. Even noticed that the "bad" music they make is better than 90% of the "great" music other bands make?

I hate stupid people.
exactly

metallicafan27 01-02-2009 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 59465)
how can anyone listen to a band that stood at the forefront of the battle against napster.seeming that they're supposed to be an "alternative" band i was completely shocked by their actions. why did they do that when we know they're rolling in money. if they never published another album they would still live like kings. i'll tell you why..because they're corporate lackeys. i could understand if it was britney spears who was created by the industry to make money, but the main goal for alternative bands should be just creating good music and spreading the vibe.i'll tell you who are real musicians, the ones that don't care about getting rich, but only care about creating good music, like Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, who, when Metallica came to Croatia and then canceled their concert just hours before it was supposed to be held ,because they didn't think they made enough money from the tickets, came in front of the place where it was supposed to happen with acoustic guitars and just entertained the people who stud stupefied in front, and then later did a free show in another club for all the people who were stud up. Now those are REAL musicians, not, to paraphrase Kurt Cobain ,"corporate cock metal" that is Metallica.
p.s.: not to mention that they're real bitches in real life...i saw this documentary about them, and they were all talking about their feelings like some women...you won't see Zach de la Rocha or Cedric Bixler speaking about how " they've really grown as people and went through some tuff times but have talked about it and grew stronger.." yada yada...
ok so you know metallica is not "alternative" they are something your narrow little mind has not heard of. it is called "Thrash Metal" and they are innovators. and second off they were originally on Megaforce records. Megaforce was a U.S. label created to release metal artists. and they had a cult following until they released the single "Enter Sandman" from the black album. and third they sued napster because they noticed they were screwing indie bands out of their money.
sorry for double post.

scottsy 01-02-2009 08:52 PM
I will have to admit I liked Lars a whole more when he just sat quietly behind a drum kit and played...

There is something to be said for speaking quietly and carrying big sticks...

Rainard Jalen 01-03-2009 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by metallicafan27 (Post 572425)
ok so you know metallica is not "alternative" they are something your narrow little mind has not heard of. it is called "Thrash Metal" and they are innovators. and second off they were originally on Megaforce records. Megaforce was a U.S. label created to release metal artists. and they had a cult following until they released the single "Enter Sandman" from the black album. and third they sued napster because they noticed they were screwing indie bands out of their money.
sorry for double post.
mate, st anger is a pile of absolute horse crap and metallica have done little to nothing worth mentioning in well over 15 years. what does it matter whether they are classified as 'alternative' or 'thrash'? thrash metal is essentially a type of alternative music. in that, it's not something you ever particularly heard in the top 10 of the billboard 100, ja? (possible exceptions may apply). and as for why they sued napster, im pretty sure it was not for quite so altruistic purposes as simply trying to make sure indie bands weren't screwed (who the hell would be so naive as to believe THAT???). i think it's probably something rather closer to the reasons prince had for sueing youtube.

metallicafan27 01-03-2009 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 572700)
mate, st anger is a pile of absolute horse crap and metallica have done little to nothing worth mentioning in well over 15 years. what does it matter whether they are classified as 'alternative' or 'thrash'? thrash metal is essentially a type of alternative music. in that, it's not something you ever particularly heard in the top 10 of the billboard 100, ja? (possible exceptions may apply). and as for why they sued napster, im pretty sure it was not for quite so altruistic purposes as simply trying to make sure indie bands weren't screwed (who the hell would be so naive as to believe THAT???). i think it's probably something rather closer to the reasons prince had for sueing youtube.
i agree that st.anger is crap. but death magentic rules

Mojo 01-03-2009 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by metallicafan27 (Post 572722)
i agree that st.anger is crap. but death magentic rules
I'd say it was a huge improvement on what the band had produced for well over a decade but i wouldnt go any further than that.

scottsy 01-03-2009 08:22 PM
St. Anger was weird album, the tunings were all different, there were no solos and Lars drum sound had a "ping" to it that could really become grating at times - but what I liked about it was that it had intensity, purpose and renewed sense of vigor that the band so urgently lacked on the Load and Reload albums...

I am not even a huge fan, but I am drawn in enough to want to check out Death Magnetic. The sort of Intensity St. Anger has, coupled with a much better sound and adding solos back in.... sounds like it could be really good!

British_pharaoh 01-04-2009 01:03 PM
Metallica are just really bad

to me they just make noise

Wayfarer 01-04-2009 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 59465)
Why I hate Metallica
oh i care so much i really do.

Janszoon 01-05-2009 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by British_pharaoh (Post 573273)
to me they just make noise
Senior citizen spotted.

Mojo 01-05-2009 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 573740)
Senior citizen spotted.
Hah. That is exactly what my dad would say, to be fair.

metallicafan27 01-05-2009 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by scottsy (Post 572516)
I will have to admit I liked Lars a whole more when he just sat quietly behind a drum kit and played...

There is something to be said for speaking quietly and carrying big sticks...
i Agree coompletely. i think Lars is a good drummer and all, but other than that is a annoying short danish A*SHOLE. I find it funny that in Some Kind of Monster he walked off the set (when they were talking to Dave Mustaine) crying. I am pretty Mad they did not show that.

Rainard Jalen 01-05-2009 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by metallicafan27 (Post 573861)
i Agree coompletely. i think Lars is a good drummer and all, but other than that is a annoying short danish A*SHOLE. I find it funny that in Some Kind of Monster he walked off the set (when they were talking to Dave Mustaine) crying. I am pretty Mad they did not show that.
how dare you spew your filthy racism on these boards. people like you ought not to be allowed to use the internet.

Janszoon 01-05-2009 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 573869)
how dare you spew your filthy racism on these boards. people like you ought not to be allowed to use the internet.
I wasn't aware that Danish was a race.

lucifer_sam 01-05-2009 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 573872)
I wasn't aware that Danish was a race.
It's a pastry.

Janszoon 01-05-2009 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 573887)
It's a pastry.
How dare you spew your filthy pastrism on these boards.

scottsy 01-05-2009 10:00 PM
Damnit, you guys are making me hungry!

Is Lars Danish anyways, or does he have danish background? I always thought he had German ancestry, but I could easily be wrong...

Rainard Jalen 01-06-2009 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 573872)
I wasn't aware that Danish was a race.
'Race' is a sketchy concept. Danish in reality is no less a 'race' than something like 'Mexican'. What if he had been talking about a band with a Mexican drummer, and called that drummer a "good-for-nothing Mexican a$$hole"? People would have immediately found that abhorrent.

TheBig3 01-06-2009 08:21 AM
only if their mexican sympathizers.

jackhammer 01-06-2009 08:27 AM
If you really find a problem with the post Rainard then please report it. I personally would'nt consider it derogatory or racist. Calling someone Danish when they are Danish is hardly racism really.

Janszoon 01-06-2009 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 574167)
'Race' is a sketchy concept. Danish in reality is no less a 'race' than something like 'Mexican'.
Yes, Mexican isn't a race either.

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 574167)
What if he had been talking about a band with a Mexican drummer, and called that drummer a "good-for-nothing Mexican a$$hole"? People would have immediately found that abhorrent.
But what if he was a good-for-nothing Mexican a$$hole?

Rainard Jalen 01-06-2009 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 574247)
Yes, Mexican isn't a race either.


But what if he was a good-for-nothing Mexican a$$hole?
The point is, the 'Mexican' or 'Danish' or whatever part is irrelevant to him being an a$$hole.

It might be true that he is Mexican and also happens to be an a$$hole, but the construction 'a [x nationality] a$$hole' carries the implication of there being some connection between his being an a$$hole and his given nationality. Such phrases are conventionally used in the context of prejudice. E.g. if somebody said 'he is a black idiot'. It may be true that the subject of discussion is an idiot and also happens to be black, but phrasing it in that way suggests a prejudice and some connection between his race and his being an idiot.

Janszoon 01-06-2009 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 574259)
The point is, the 'Mexican' or 'Danish' or whatever part is irrelevant to him being an a$$hole.

It might be true that he is Mexican and also happens to be an a$$hole, but the construction 'a [x nationality] a$$hole' carries the implication of there being some connection between his being an a$$hole and his given nationality. Such phrases are conventionally used in the context of prejudice. E.g. if somebody said 'he is a black idiot'. It may be true that the subject of discussion is an idiot and also happens to be black, but phrasing it in that way suggests a prejudice and some connection between his race and his being an idiot.
I see one of us is taking this conversation seriously. :D

Rainard Jalen 01-06-2009 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 574272)
I see one of us is taking this conversation seriously. :D
I had been playing around originally, but then there were a few comments that suggested it was necessary to point out that saying "a <insert nationality> idiot" is actually derogatory. Somebody else had denied that it was.

lucifer_sam 01-06-2009 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 574274)
I had been playing around originally
You have a horrible sense of humor.

Rainard Jalen 01-06-2009 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 574323)
You have a horrible sense of humor.
yours aint so great either. besides, i was humouring myself. :)

jackhammer 01-06-2009 01:13 PM
Unless someone has a genuine complaint can we get back on topic please?

Rainard Jalen 01-06-2009 01:25 PM
I hate Metallica. Not because of anti-piracy action, Napster or whatever, but because they've been releasing seriously lamea$s albums for the best part of the last 20 years and couldn't possibly have had any intent behind those records other than exploiting their popularity and milking the public.

lucifer_sam 01-06-2009 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 574341)
I hate Metallica. Not because of anti-piracy action, Napster or whatever, but because they've been releasing seriously lamea$s albums for the best part of the last 20 years and couldn't possibly have had any intent behind those records other than exploiting their popularity and milking the public.
It's happened to other bands before. And while I can't say that I enjoyed their last album, it certainly was a return to their pre-Black Album sound. For the record, Ride the Lightning shits on about 95% of other thrash albums.

jackhammer 01-06-2009 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 574343)
It's happened to other bands before. And while I can't say that I enjoyed their last album, it certainly was a return to their pre-Black Album sound. For the record, Ride the Lightning shits on about 95% of other thrash albums.
To be fair there is a hell of a lot of derivative Thrash out there and genuinely GREAT albums that have stood the test of time are relatively small in comparison to how much was released. The only thing that let's Ride The Lightning down for me is the production. It's a little wooly but I usually alternate between 'Ride' and 'Master' for favourite although I haven't listened to any for a long while now.

lucifer_sam 01-06-2009 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 574349)
To be fair there is a hell of a lot of derivative Thrash out there and genuinely GREAT albums that have stood the test of time are relatively small in comparison to how much was released. The only thing that let's Ride The Lightning down for me is the production. It's a little wooly but I usually alternate between 'Ride' and 'Master' for favourite although I haven't listened to any for a long while now.
That's why I said it. I can't honestly claim that it's the best thrash album of all time, but I'm more than familiar with the surfeit of derivative tosh that got mixed in. I've never really noticed the production on Ride the Lightning (sans Fade to Black), but I can imagine it's worse than MOP.

GravitySlips 01-06-2009 02:38 PM
I find myself LOVING early metallica albums since I actually gave them a chance.

Kill 'Em All is my favourite. Fu'cking awesome record.


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