Can't we all freely listen to what we want to?
 

And when will people realize music is a subjective experience and just because you like something doesn't mean everybody else will like it. What made me make this thread is a situation that happened in park couple of days ago.

5 days ago in park 3 of those "im so hard cause I listen to black/death metal" pussies with long girly hair walked up to me and my friend and started bull****ting us cause I was having Limp Bizkit t-shirt and my friend was having SlipKnot t-shirt. One of them had "Mayhem" t, another "Deicide" and third one wasn't wearing a shirt of a band. "Deicide" guy came up to me and said "Limp Bizkit is for ***gots and Durst sucks listen to some real metal". I said :"What, like some girly long-haired wanna-be-hard emo pussies nobody knows or cares about "? He got pissed off and started talking how they sing about death and torture and are so badass and NOT emo, I started laughing and said "woow you must be so hardcore then, means you are a real badass and you kill and torture people right?" He had no answer to that but then he spoke again changing the subject, saying "Limp Bizkit has rap influences, meaning you like Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne too ha? And you think they're harder yeah?". I replied:"dude, get your facts straight Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne are **** and not rap, REAL rap is stuff like Tupac, Eminem, Eazy E etc and FYI at least most real rappers are from hood/ghetto and they've seen more violence and death than you and most other poserish sub-urban wanna-be-hard bands you listen to have". Then he, having no more arguments said "get off the swing", I said "no we were here first", he replies "why don't you go listen to your terrible douchebag music, douchebag" I said "why don't go you suck satan's cock?", then he lost control and tried to hit me(which is a bad idea since I go to gym regularly and train kickboxing), I dodged his punch and elbowed him in mouth, breaking some of his teeth and making him bleed hard also knocking him onto the ground. My friend also got ready for a fight, but other 2 of his friends ran away while he tried to get up while screaming" PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE PLEASE", I let him go, then he got up, pulled himself together and ran away too.

Me and my friend discussed it and we are wondering a couple of things.

First of all, how much of a stuck up, complexed, narrow-minded whiny insecure **** do you have to be to bother somebody because he listens to a different music genre than you?

Second, how can you think that listening to a certain type of music can make you hard? It won't make your muscles stronger, it won't give you fighting skills, it won't make you braver, so stop being delusional and get back to real world, if you wanna be hard you gotta do some hard physical and mental training, not act like a stuck up conservative elitist bitch. For ****S sake, my dad, retired badass police officer who has seen more violence and death and been in more fights than all death/metal band members together(not that 0 is hard to beat LOL) listens to our country's classic rock bands(which aren't aggressive at all)

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against people listening to that kind of music - everybody is free to do as he wants as long as he doesn't endanger other's freedom. That means if you want to think you are hardcore, sure go ahead, THINK it but to say **** in my face is a threat to my freedom and somebody may knock the **** out of you if you do it while not hiding behind the screen.

Third, how can HE call ME a douchebag? I mean from the whole situation and who provoked who I think we can clearly see he is a douchebag, but is he really that blind/stupid that he thinks he was right?

Fourgth, why do you think they even walked up to us, did they really think they can kick our asses? Admittedly, the "Deicide" guy who attacked me was a bit bigger than me, but mostly cause of his fat, he wasn't very muscly and by his movements I don't think he ever trained any martial art

So, what's your opinion on this whole situation? I shared this story with people in my class, ofc rap listeners were delighted but why did some metal heads got hurt? I mean, I wouldn't EVER attack somebody for their music taste, I was the ATTACKED ONE and some took me for a villain :confused:.

Music is subjective, but there's an element of relativity to it. If the amount of music you've listened to is small in scope, perhaps just one genre, or perhaps a few popular artists of a few genres, then you haven't had the exposure to the sheer quantity and quality of music available, and can't know what you're missing. Don't settle. Keep exploring. You'll soon find thousands of new impressive things, and you will reflect upon the entry-level artists perhaps kindly, or perhaps with a bit of shame, but they are not the end of what is available to you.

I remember when this started happening in the So. Cal Punk scene and it happened surprisingly fast; that 'I'm Punker than you because I listen to XYZ' mentality. Especially funny because Punk was all about alienation and not fitting in. I've said it before here - once a bunch of people get together and form a group, no matter how disenfranchised they were to begin with, they almost immediately become elitest pricks and start looking for other people they can persecute for being different. Some people are just weak, stupid assh*les and I don't think there is anything you can do about it.

Yes, ultimately the whole scenario is nonsense, and you've got some very good ideas about subjectivity and whether or not your peers are idiots, but while you're here on MB, I would welcome and encourage you to keep looking for music to love. We're a great resource and all we ask for is an open mind.

Otherwise you can suck Satan's c*ck!

Kidding...kidding...:beer:

I personally think, Yes but if your listening to your own type of music to not have it too loud enough that it disturbs other people.

In another case that your wearing clothing i.e. T-shirt or a Top of your favourite band or artist then your free to do so, as long as its not offensive then you have the freedom to totally ignore them shouting at you.

Wear what you feel comfortable in, I say!

SOOoooooo glad I'm not in high school anymore.

This situation cuts both ways. Consider how you described the metal guys - "im so hard cause I listen to black/death metal" pussies with long girly hair

You whole post reads like a passive aggressive bully's recollection of a antagonizing confrontation and being confused about the results of their method to solve the problem by throwing fuel on the fire. It's like when Fred Durst whined about being sensitive and misunderstood while continuing to front hard and act like a dick.

I used to get people calling me f@ggot to my face on a regular basis for wearing RHCP shirts back in the day. The most effective comebacks - 'So..., meh, or whatever'. What can they say to that? When you've proved you give absolutely no sh!ts about their opinion with your reply you effectively remove any opportunity for them to create a confrontation.

Also... someone calling you out on listening to cheesy rap metal is a threat to your freedom? Who's the insecure one here?

Heh. I remember two kids teasing me for wearing a RHCP shirt, then a few months later "Under the Bridge" became a huge hit and one of those two dopes was suddenly wearing a RHCP shirt himself.

I have a story to tell...When I was at High School, the Library had a day diaplaying Music (of course most of it was of the time, 1984). Someone was complaining and having a vocal fit that his AC/DC bandana was near my Big Country record - detailing, it was the 2 disc UK edition of "Wonderland." Yeah, it was that pathetic. I have a feeling that elsewhere in the world, both bands were seen as the same, Good down to earth Rock and Roll (True, with BC, it had more depth, but you know what I mean), but in the US, Big Country were seen as "New Wave." (I may be a little wrong, but that was how I saw it.) It's stupid how a genre name and how the company promotes a band changes everything.

I've just started college/training course and, where I live, there is hardly any judgement on peoples appearance.
I'm going to wear what I want, When I want! :beer:

It will never change - Mods vs/ Rockers (Resulting in a lot of fights in The UK), Punks vs. New Wavers, Metal Heads vs. Punks (I thankfully left a party before things went up in fists, 1983, as you can tell I was Punk, and was about to made into a target). It's one of those things we grow up with.

It's only sad when it moves into Adulthood.

Yes, I think they are pussies, and kind of proved it too. But I STILL have a certain amount of politeness and tolerance and I don't go telling them that in their face. Its like with ugly and fat people - you know they're fat and ugly but a normal polite person won't say it to their face.

You could have seen from my answers that I was just having fun and mocking him until he tried to physically attack me, I didn't really take him for serious and that is probably what pissed him off additionally. :laughing:

Durst was bullied in childhood and then hated since the start of LB just because of the genre of music they made, then people hated him even more cause of Woodstock(which was not LB's or Durst's fault in anyway), its just amazing the amount of bad luck he has. Ofc he is gonna act as a huge ass troll and do whatever the **** he wants and piss off people now that he has money and fame. TBH if I was a frontman in LB and had as much fans as LB had I would act differently, but since none of us know what Durst has really been through I don't think its fair to judge him.


Just by saying Limp Bizkit sucks etc is a (minor)threat to my freedom and his feeble try to present himself as an alpha male and make me look like a pussy or something so yeah, it is a threat to my freedom but a minor one of course and I didn't really care that much about what he says I was just playfully mocking him(and even that way I was winning the argument).

Its odd though, I casually chatting with friend and other guy trying to insult me, picking a fight and trying to present himself as stronger one and you say I am the insecure one? :confused:

And you are insulting me by saying my band is cheesy while complaining about you yourself being insulted for listening to RHCP? Really? :usehead:

OP is a troll.

Yeah, we can all freely listen to the music we want to. There will always be people like those who bashed me on here for liking Poison and saying that they were up there with Bon Jovi. You just have to over look those people.

Yup, clear as day.


I don't see the logic in complaining about freedom when the OP himself stereotyped multiple genres (and called them emo as well!)

Sometimes stereotyping isn't bad. Unless you somehow prove me wrong, for me at least 90% of black/death metal listeners are like that, they just try to be hardcore too much so they end up looking silly. Some of them are jerks(like ones I met), some aren't.

Also another example of stereotyping being right is saying "almost every Bieber fan is a teenage girl with a low IQ". Now, I dare you to tell me this stereotype is false.

i dont know why some kids from da 80's and earlly earlly 90's hate Nu metal with such a passion ????

now that im older its not like i ever hated the Screamo Nu hardcore and New wave of metal that happend after 2003 2011 with such a passion

If I was so sensitive about people saying things about my favourite bands as much as you seem to be the first thing I would do is choose a band that have recorded music on a slightly higher level than that of an aural dog turd.

^/thread

I don't understand your question.

See? You can't comprehend music taste is a subjective opinion and you try to objectively analyze it, so you make yourself look ignorant in front of anybody intelligent.

Now I could start saying how black/death metal is for girly poser pussies who are only good as punching bags for real men but that's already been said and proved

And I'm not here to make you listen to my music, if you wanna be a bitch and listen to bitch **** sure go ahead. I'll be glad to beat up the next poser who starts bothering me.

Dude - it's hard to take you seriously when you make statements like that. I mean, maybe you are making a joke but it doesn't sound like it. You started with the topic of people persecuting each other over their musical choices and now you just sound like one of the persecutors. Where are you going with this? It's not okay to beat the sh*t out of someone because they listen to certain music or wear a certain tee-shirt unless they're a Justin Beeber fan? Teen-age girls with low IQ's need love too...

First of all I was expressing my opinion of something, which I am entitled to do on this forum. The fact that I dislike it does not make me ignorant. Neither did I make any judgement of you because of your enjoyment of that music, something that you I might add have done so.

And threatening to physically attack someone for a differing opinion on a band.
How old are you? 12?

If you can't handle criticism of your favourite band and take every word as a personal attack it does beg the question what on earth you joined a music discussion forum.

Incidental I'm not a poser I say what I like about whatever I like, I don't really care how successful or cool that band might be.

Yup, troll. Probably Fred Durst.

Learn to read. It was a comparison, as in, I've been picked on for wearing band shirts too, except I knew how to handle it better.

Also... "my band"?

Basically, if you don't want people to treat you like a d!ck, you need to stop acting like a d!ck.

tough guys listen to aggro/nu metal.. LOL

I found myself at a Metallica concert some time back (payback to a friend who went to a Ministry concert with me) and, while the band was actually very good, I was amazed at how many young aggressive guys were there, just beating the living sh*t out of each other throughout the entire show.

I've been in my fair share of mosh pits back in the Black Flag days and things could get a little rough, but there was always a spirit of fun and mischief about it too. It was very cathartic and I think it actually served as a release so that we didn't beat the snot out of each other.

The Metallica show was a much heavier, meaner vibe. These guys were there to really put the hurt on each other and some people were getting seriously messed up. This was going on everywhere too, not just in a few isolated spots. My friends, who were huge fans, were down in the crowd and got smashed in the face, got their glasses broken, etc. It was pretty intense.

I don't mean to slag Metallica or Metal fans - I think this could have happened anywhere. Maybe I am just an old fogey now and this is the way things go at live shows, but it certainly wasn't my idea of fun. Really, when I hear stories like this, I don't think it really matters what band you like or whatever. These young guys are wound tighter than a tick and are just looking to put the hurt on someone.

In retrospect, the Ministry crowd was much more civilized...^_^

I know exactly what you're talking about. I remember going to shows when I was younger where the pit consisted of people running around slamming into each other in a way that was fun and rowdy but not with the intention of hurting each other. Every so often there would be some meathead who would get in there and actually hurt people, but everyone hated those guys and considered them the assholes who didn't understand how it was supposed to work. Unfortunately throughout the 90s there seemed to be this shift where the meatheads became more and more common in pits until it got to the point where it now works their way. Sadly, the meatheads have won the pit culture war. :(

"Can't we all just get along?"

"Except for death metal fans black metal fans and anyone who doesn't share my musical opinion lol **** them"

erm, no, we're all ****ing taste Nazis

we dictate what you listen to, punk

seriously, the only time i've been mocked in college was the time i confessed my love for EMF to my best friend

cos he was a hard-ass Satanic thrash beer-drinking hardass and he called them "Electronic Mother ****ers" or something

of course, then toderly, later he was promoting george michael's listen without prejudice vol. 1

and it was like, yo, you can diss my electric mofuggas but you listen to a ***got?

at that time, seriously, dudes and dudettes, i was up to my neck in serious grindcore **** like Napalm Death and Carcass

and ya know, like, these guys eat George ***got Michael for breakfast

ya know what I mean?

and another worshipped Paul Simon who was a total short ****head, who ****s prostitutes on tour, man i said if Dylan was before me, i'd suck his cock

sorry where was i?

Whenever I go to shows, the mosh pit is always pretty civilized (so to speak). Nobody tries to hurt anybody and if someone gets knocked down they get picked back up. It feels sort of like a brotherhood of people with no common sense. Maybe it's just because you went to a Metallica show where most of the fans are casual music fans who don't know the rules about moshing and just think they're supposed to hurt each other.

that's because it's corporatised - the "mosh pit"

you ever been to a British indie/punk show

people do their best to hurt each other and themselves

not that i don't enjoy that

You are being a hypocrite. If you go ahead and stereotype black/death metal fans as little pussies than I will stereotype all Limp Bizkit fans as trailer-trash wiggers with little musical taste. You are attempting to objectively analyze death and black metal.

I can guarantee you that if any member of this forum saw you on the street with a Limp Bizkit shirt on they wouldn't say anything and leave you alone. I don't see the accuracy in your stereotype anyway. I myself like black and death metal, and I was a linebacker for my high school (and heavily recruited by colleges, including Ivy League schools). My friends that like black and death metal are also very athletic. Judging by your wonderful way with words, they are much smarter than you as well. I guess we aren't real men though, since we don't enjoy Golden Cobra as much as you.

Your original post would have been fine if you left it at your "freedom to listen question", however, you followed it up with insults against black and death metal fans. You should have been smart enough to know that the group of kids you met (that think music is cool because "it is about torture") is not representative of metal fans.

Your ignorance offends me, and I'm not even an elitist. Go back home, baby troll.

If I made a grammar mistake feel free to correct me.

I wasn't against black/death metal until this happened. And what's worse, that incident just provoked more trouble. Now another group of metalheads suddenly turned quite cold towards me, and overall situation in my neighborhood is heating up and there is almost some kind of war between metalheads and rap fans, and I liking both am trying to stay away from it. I also heard that 2 of those black metal fans about 15-16y old dressed all black with make up on face, took a sickle and started trying scare women and children on the street but they ran into the wrong guy and he beaten them both up. Too bad I wasn't there, they must have looked silly I would have laughed alot :rofl:

I may have immature stereotypes but as you can see at least I have reasons for them, and, ironically, this whole confrontation is going bad for the black/death metal fans who started it lol. I'm sorry if I offended any NORMAL black/death metal fans and I officially apologize, that really wasn't my intention I was just pissed off over dumbness of some stupid people.

BTW, one of those 3 who attacked us was filming the whole thing so you may even find the vid on youtube though I don't know why they'd put a vid of them getting ass kicked on youtube :P. My friend was wearing a SlipKnot t and black jeans and has neck long brown hair, I was wearing blue jeans and Limp Bizkit t and have short black hair, but oh well you know how the conversation went so if you see that vid please let me know :)

look, all this macho teen talk is killing me

you want to show me guts - do as me in the 80s, at the height of New Wave, I put on my mother's make-up and walk the streets

David Bowie was doing that **** in 1967 and he was wearing his dad's makeup.

the older generation were always gutsier

Or wear a Limp Bizkit t-shirt on Black/death metal concert and yell The Bizkit 4 EVAH :finger:

I would, but I don't have till the next millenium, sorry. I could have started with the post I quoted but I don't have till next week, either. :nono:

As to the situtaion: you acted badly, my young padawan. You should have said, "You don't need to see his identification," and, "These aren't the droids you're looking for," and of course, you could have definitely said, "You may go now." Or, just as simply, you could have said, "You are my daughter," but then you'd have been the one that got punched off a kindergarten round up swing. And we'd be the ones :rofl:

In all seriousness, I haven't worn my band t-shirt since I was a teen; they're all too small for me now, unfortunately, and unfortunately again I do not have the "durst" to order any more.

I LOVE Metallica, but the above mentioned situation in the mosh pit causes me to stay at home and listen to my albums... I am not into violence.:banghead: