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Crinn 02-01-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281664)

Not all other types of metal but when people say metal they mean heavy/death/trash/black.

Now that's a load of crap if I ever saw one haha

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281664)
Good name? Metal got a good name? Most people associate metal with low IQ, bad hygiene, neanderthal behavior and thinking, violence towards women, long feminine hair and leather pants, bad physical condition and alcohol.

This just further confirms my accusation that you are, in fact, an idiot.

Scarlett O'Hara 02-01-2013 06:29 PM

There's nothing that particularly wrong with Nu metal. Personally I really like S.O.A.D and Korn's albums Issues and Life is Peachy. I used to listen to a lot of Nu metal growing up. But now if I listen to it, a lot of it sound comical to me.

Unrelenting 02-01-2013 09:18 PM

I still like some Nu Metal, whether or not that is nostalgia from my High School Years is beyond me.


Mushroomhead - Solitaire Unraveling - YouTube

I used to listen to Slipknot and Korn, but the overbearing angst just doesn't do it for me now that I'm in my twenties and everything isn't the end of the world, but Mushroomhead still does it for me. If I'm in a Nu Metal sort of mood, that's what I reach for first.

Clutch 02-01-2013 10:03 PM

Mushroomhead is an interesting band that I too still listen from the Nu-Metal fanboy faze i had. But as a whole (and as many people have said before) the Nu-Metal fanbase only listens to Nu-Metal so they become over-protective of it.

Musicfanatic 02-01-2013 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crinn (Post 1281679)
... there are nu metal bands that I LOVE like Korn, Godsmack...

Godsmack are Nu--Metal?

Whiskey 02-01-2013 10:40 PM

Guys see this song?


Korn - Word Up - YouTube

Thats the only catchy song by Korn I can think of. Korn sure lacks catchiness other than this. ACtually this song is more Funk metal though. Awesome genre by the way guys. Rare to find,b ut awesome.

Norg 02-01-2013 11:23 PM

yall must have 2 different ideas on what NU Metal and NEW Metal are really different IMO

u could consider

The prodigy Nu metal or New metal they blurr the lines other bands like

Cradle of filth
Incubis
Dir en grey
Black light burns

also blurr the lines and back in the day was consider NU metal or has i called them "NEW" Music also Nu metal is really no different then New Rock

my point is NU metal is not limited to Down tuned guitars and slappy bass

because Sabbath down tuned there guitars and gezzer slapped his bass alot or finger pick slap whatever has well has some death metal bands of the early 90's down tuned

so after all these years i Still dont even know what NU metal really is Nu metal is just a term labels slapped on bands

Norg 02-01-2013 11:34 PM

and im still kinda shocked on how so many people so hated on NU metal IMO it was just another ripple in music history i liked it because it didnt over stay its welcome came in and then moved on 95-03 i dont remember this many people hating on NU hardcore when that starting rising after nu metal in 03 with bands like

Bleeding through
Posion the well
Norma Jean

bands like that .. well acctually i kinda do LOL people just hate on everything

Norg 02-01-2013 11:39 PM

Love it or hate it people love talking about NU metal thats why this and Limpbizkit has been on top of this page for months LOL

Unrelenting 02-01-2013 11:58 PM

Those three bands you listed are metalcore bands, dude.

Norg 02-02-2013 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Unrelenting (Post 1281862)
Those three bands you listed are metalcore bands, dude.

Nu hardcore Metalcore Rock"core" same thing

raw-kin-roll 02-02-2013 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281545)
I like Nu Metal but I don't like "evil" and I've never heard any Nu Metal band trying to sound evil. Maybe you can be more specific? In which song do white guys try to sound evil by rapping? And why mention they're white? There are black guys in Nu Metal too.

Forward To Death - KoRn, Limp Bizkit, Deftones, Linkin Park, Saliva, Papa Roach, Disturbed.

Each of these bands has a completely unique and recognizable sound. Admittedly, I don't know much about guitars but I know for sure that those bands guitars don't sound the same. Deftones's Adrenaline f.e. is one of my favorite albums and it has an unique guitar sound that has never been used outside that album. Name me ONE song outside Adrenaline in which the guitar sounds like that.

Yeah I realize I'm generalizing/stereotyping but that's the vibe I get from nu metal. Also just watch a Korn video clip, says it all really.

The Batlord 02-02-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281628)
Not enough rapping for hip-hop fans and too much of hip-hop rhythm for rock/metal fans it is only appreciated by few open minded people intelligent enough to comprehend its greatness and value it.

It's not about the presence of rapping, it's that so much of the rapping in nu metal is no better than ICP's rapping.
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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281628)
Hip Hop and Metal kind of remind me of Romeo and Juliet. They're perfect together, yet their families can't stand each other because of most stupid, senseless reasons. Difference is, Nu Metal lives forever.

What on earth are you talking about? This isn't 1990. There is plenty of crossover these days.
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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281664)
Good name? Metal got a good name? Most people associate metal with low IQ, bad hygiene, neanderthal behavior and thinking, violence towards women, long feminine hair and leather pants, bad physical condition and alcohol.

Low IQ? Neanderthal behavior and thinking? You mean like people who make ignorant, sweeping generalizations about entire groups of people?

And tell the Vikings that long hair is feminine.

MyName 02-02-2013 09:38 AM

The Batlord AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Vikings? You mean the low IQ'd, savage, dirty, thieving neanderthal women rapers :rolleyes:? Boohoo I'm so scared :rofl:.

Well most casual people associate metal with leather, satan, darkness, skeletons and that kind of stuff which is annoying and offending. When people ask me what I listen to and I say metal I mostly get negative reactions, but not negative as "OMG YOU'RE STUPID AND YOU STINK" but negative in the way that they look at me as a freak but are too polite to say anything.

The Batlord 02-02-2013 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281922)
The Batlord AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Vikings? You mean the low IQ'd, savage, dirty, thieving neanderthal women rapers :rolleyes:? Boohoo I'm so scared :rofl:.

More ignorant, sweeping generalizations? You know, if Vikings were black then this would be about to turn into an entirely different conversation.

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Well most casual people associate metal with leather, satan, darkness, skeletons and that kind of stuff which is annoying and offending. When people ask me what I listen to and I say metal I mostly get negative reactions, but not negative as "OMG YOU'RE STUPID AND YOU STINK" but negative in the way that they look at me as a freak but are too polite to say anything.
Well, most "casual people" are idiots, so why should I care what they think? Besides, Satan kicks ass. Backwards baseball caps do not. :p:

Janszoon 02-02-2013 10:28 AM

Skeletons are annoying? Really? I've always found mine to be pretty supportive.

MyName 02-02-2013 01:04 PM

I generalized, so what? Those are the characteristics vikings are known for. Doesn't have to mean that each and every one of them was like that, but MOST were.

Most people I know don't know music further than mainstream pop and our folk music but so what? The smartest girl in our class has an IQ of 142 by European standards. Is she an idiot just because she listens to mainstream pop?

Whiskey - I find these KoRn songs pretty catchy: "Falling away from me", "Let the guilt go", "Right now", "Predictable", "Shoots and Ladders". I can list more if you want me to.

Unknown Soldier 02-02-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1278661)
But what I don't understand is how can somebody who listens to a bunch of long haired dudes just mindlessly bashing the guitar and growling dare to act condescending towards Nu Metal.

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1278696)
Hehe don't get me wrong I'm not bothered by long hair, its just that most people that play the kind of music I described are either long haired(in most cases) or bald. They all try to copy each other to stay tr00 or whatever and they usually all end up looking/sounding too similar to each other.

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1279408)
Why would it not be a legitimate reason to not like a band? If somebody likes guitar solos so much that he can't listen a song without a guitar solo its a completely legitimate reason not to like a band that uses max 1 guitar solo per album if any.

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281545)
Forward To Death - KoRn, Limp Bizkit, Deftones, Linkin Park, Saliva, Papa Roach, Disturbed.

Each of these bands has a completely unique and recognizable sound. .

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281628)
This IMO is the biggest problem with Nu "Metal". It is often more similar to hard rock than metal, a bit too heavy/aggressive for hard rock but too melodic and different from metal. Maybe calling it Nu Rock would be better... maybe.

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281664)
Good name? Metal got a good name? Most people associate metal with low IQ, bad hygiene, neanderthal behavior and thinking, violence towards women, long feminine hair and leather pants, bad physical condition and alcohol.

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281922)
The Batlord AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Vikings? You mean the low IQ'd, savage, dirty, thieving neanderthal women rapers :rolleyes:? Boohoo I'm so scared :rofl:.

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Well most casual people associate metal with leather, satan, darkness, skeletons and that kind of stuff which is annoying and offending. When people ask me what I listen to and I say metal I mostly get negative reactions, but not negative as "OMG YOU'RE STUPID AND YOU STINK" but negative in the way that they look at me as a freak but are too polite to say anything.
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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281964)
I generalized, so what? Those are the characteristics vikings are known for. Doesn't have to mean that each and every one of them was like that, but MOST were.

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Most people I know don't know music further than mainstream pop and our folk music but so what? The smartest girl in our class has an IQ of 142 by European standards. Is she an idiot just because she listens to mainstream pop?
Post after post of absolute guff! One thing's for certain, your IQ is a long way below 142.

Hopefully this thread won't reach 142 posts either.

Musicfanatic 02-02-2013 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1281971)
Post after post of absolute guff! One thing's for certain, your IQ is a long way below 142.

Hopefully this thread won't reach 142 posts either.

You mean to say is that you aren't having fun?


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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1281933)
Skeletons are annoying? Really? I've always found mine to be pretty supportive.

:rofl: :eek:

How dare you make me laugh so loud that I fell to the floor and broke my skeleton! MyName is right, skeletons are offensive, the way they let you break your back. We need a "smile" that includes an old man with a walker, 'cause, dude, that's the way I feel now...:love:

Antonio 02-02-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joy_circumcision (Post 1276765)
I think it's weird to throw black metal in with those, but to answer your question, nu-metal is a synthesis that seems driven largely by adolescent and adolescent-acting bands, combining two genres of music that are 1. angsty and 2. easily commercial. The resulting music is usually a lot more proud of itself than it really deserves to be (lower technical skill than a lot of other metal genres, less lyrical depth and compositional profundity, etc. etc.) and unfortunately, due perhaps to the strong backlash against its founders, or perhaps to the transience of its demographic target, there's been very little exploration of it in the underground by more talented rappers and metal musicians.

This.

Any response after this post is basically just meaningless fluff.

Scarlett O'Hara 02-02-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiskey (Post 1281847)
Guys see this song?


Korn - Word Up - YouTube

Thats the only catchy song by Korn I can think of. Korn sure lacks catchiness other than this. ACtually this song is more Funk metal though. Awesome genre by the way guys. Rare to find,b ut awesome.

What does catchiness have to do with the price of fish?

But Dead Bodies Everywhere is pretty catchy to me.

MyName 02-03-2013 03:28 AM

Unkown Soldier - Aren't you ashamed to cry and whine like that? If all I said was so stupid you'd easily prove it, right? But you can't. Because most of the things I said are the absolute truth.

However I thank you for collecting my wisdom and posting it :)

Unknown Soldier 02-03-2013 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1282100)
Unkown Soldier - Aren't you ashamed to cry and whine like that? If all I said was so stupid you'd easily prove it, right? But you can't. Because most of the things I said are the absolute truth.

However I thank you for collecting my wisdom and posting it :)

Not at all. I just find it amazing how somebody can come onto a music forum where it's fairly obvious by going through the diverse posts here, that there are some really knowledgeable people on here when it comes to music. Now surely EVEN YOU can see this. Therefore by you harping on like a delinquent teenager about how great Nu metal is and how crap other metal genres are, it's hardly going to win you any plaudits on here.

Now if you'd come on here and debated about how great Nu metal is in a sensible and intelligent manner, it would have lead to an interesting debate. Debating about how great Nu metal is would have been a challenge, but it could've have been a worthy challenge.

The Batlord 02-04-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MyName (Post 1281964)
I generalized, so what? Those are the characteristics vikings are known for. Doesn't have to mean that each and every one of them was like that, but MOST were.

Well, your generalizations are useless. Trying to discredit an entire cultures opinion with a blatantly ignorant generalization is idiotic. Besides, from the way you described Vikings I should think that their opinion on the manliness of long hair would trump your own. You having never sacked an English monastery and all.

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Most people I know don't know music further than mainstream pop and our folk music but so what? The smartest girl in our class has an IQ of 142 by European standards. Is she an idiot just because she listens to mainstream pop?
I'd certainly say that she's probably a musical idiot. Which is beside the point. It's not my fault that idiots have an unfair, prejudiced view of metalheads. So, your being pissed off at me for other people associating you with the rest of us is just childish.

Norg 02-04-2013 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by joy_circumcision (Post 1276765)
I think it's weird to throw black metal in with those, but to answer your question, nu-metal is a synthesis that seems driven largely by adolescent and adolescent-acting bands, combining two genres of music that are 1. angsty and 2. easily commercial. The resulting music is usually a lot more proud of itself than it really deserves to be (lower technical skill than a lot of other metal genres, less lyrical depth and compositional profundity, etc. etc.) and unfortunately, due perhaps to the strong backlash against its founders, or perhaps to the transience of its demographic target, there's been very little exploration of it in the underground by more talented rappers and metal musicians.

your stereotyping

adolescent and adolescent-acting bands- uhh since the dawn of music teenagers and young adults are prob the people buying the most music its not like 50's & 80 year olds going out and buying the hottest new music and saying all NU metal bands act adolescent is just mad stereotyping

easily commercial-uhh during the time if u werent a pop band being in a rock band wasent your gateway to succuess because thats what NU metal at the core is ROck or heavy music they never claimed to be Metal



and just because u cant play a million notes or technical riffs really fast does not make u bad

and NU metal has been explored cept u wouldnt know it since NU metal bands now a days never considerd themselfs NU metal so they go into the studio and dont say hey lets make Nu metal musc they say here lets make some new music with no boundries and anything goes to me thats NU metal to make music with no boundries

so bassically NU metal now a days 2013 has turned into "Alternative" Music and to me Alternative could mean anything

Whiskey 02-05-2013 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 1282569)
your stereotyping

adolescent and adolescent-acting bands- uhh since the dawn of music teenagers and young adults are prob the people buying the most music its not like 50's & 80 year olds going out and buying the hottest new music and saying all NU metal bands act adolescent is just mad stereotyping

easily commercial-uhh during the time if u werent a pop band being in a rock band wasent your gateway to succuess because thats what NU metal at the core is ROck or heavy music they never claimed to be Metal



and just because u cant play a million notes or technical riffs really fast does not make u bad

and NU metal has been explored cept u wouldnt know it since NU metal bands now a days never considerd themselfs NU metal so they go into the studio and dont say hey lets make Nu metal musc they say here lets make some new music with no boundries and anything goes to me thats NU metal to make music with no boundries

so bassically NU metal now a days 2013 has turned into "Alternative" Music and to me Alternative could mean anything

Wait but isnt Alternative a whole different world I mean Nu metal has that influences too but to be honest they could just separate them and then people could notice the difference and also just because nu metal bands dont think they are nu metal doesnt mean they really are not nu metal it just means thats what they think?

Scarlett O'Hara 02-05-2013 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 1282569)
your stereotyping

adolescent and adolescent-acting bands- uhh since the dawn of music teenagers and young adults are prob the people buying the most music its not like 50's & 80 year olds going out and buying the hottest new music and saying all NU metal bands act adolescent is just mad stereotyping

easily commercial-uhh during the time if u werent a pop band being in a rock band wasent your gateway to succuess because thats what NU metal at the core is ROck or heavy music they never claimed to be Metal



and just because u cant play a million notes or technical riffs really fast does not make u bad

and NU metal has been explored cept u wouldnt know it since NU metal bands now a days never considerd themselfs NU metal so they go into the studio and dont say hey lets make Nu metal musc they say here lets make some new music with no boundries and anything goes to me thats NU metal to make music with no boundries

so bassically NU metal now a days 2013 has turned into "Alternative" Music and to me Alternative could mean anything

You're.

Surell 02-05-2013 03:19 AM

^ you canot do that

Janszoon 02-05-2013 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 1282569)
adolescent and adolescent-acting bands- uhh since the dawn of music teenagers and young adults are prob the people buying the most music its not like 50's & 80 year olds going out and buying the hottest new music and saying all NU metal bands act adolescent is just mad stereotyping

Since the dawn of music? Really? Lots of cave-teens buying cave-vinyl back then?

The Batlord 02-05-2013 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1282597)
You're.

That's the typo you chose to highlight? That whole post was a grammatical train wreck. No offense to the poster of course.

Whiskey 02-05-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1282622)
That's the typo you chose to highlight? That whole post was a grammatical train wreck. No offense to the poster of course.

I wonder if Norg is doing that intentionally. Looking at his posts back in 2009, they were still that way back then too, so probably not.

Screen13 02-05-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1282616)
Since the dawn of music? Really? Lots of cave-teens buying cave-vinyl back then?

Heard of the Beau Brummelstones? (lol, as they say now)


Cinnamonics 02-05-2013 09:18 AM

I was a fan of some nu-metal bands back in the day, like Korn, Deftones and System of a Down, and I still like the latter two. Especially Deftones had something special on their first three albums. Overall, though, not much interested me. Slipknot and Limp Bizkit, for example, I never quite understood their thing. I don't mind the seeming ineptitude of certain musicians in the genre, I'm a Bob Dylan fan after all. :D

Screen13 02-05-2013 09:24 AM

Seriously, I thought that this whole Nu Metal thing was something of the 90's. What's the controversy? A bunch of musicians inspired by theatrical Rock and simple Metal with a knowledge of how to sell themselves to a bunch of kids release a bunch of simplistic heavy Rock that sounds like a pretentious and over-serious version of EMF's Stigma but without anything that made it good including the bombastic Pop edge that made it an interesting listen or any weird stuff going on like the videos that made the teenyboppers wonder what drugs they were doing (Career-kills, I love them!).

Most of them come off as musician-businessmen who know the Kiss Concept (Hi, Slipknot!), Grunged up and ready to sell in the trailer parks, suburbs, and elsewhere where there's an interest in this stuff. They just threw out the old time fun and threw in the Grunge angst with slight Industrial bits here and there. As for the lyrics, sorry, but there's nothing in there but the same old same old "Me Me Me!!! Whine Whine Whine!!!" without touching on anything new or political most of the time. Their ability to play usually is pretty good, and some bands hire good graphics artists who capture the mood, but it's nothing to get all worked over about. You either like it or lump it. (and I pretty much lump it with possible song exceptions...I'll think of them when I get to them.)

Norg 02-05-2013 10:28 AM

for ex to me this band is what NU metal has evolved to but they call it alternative music now


Death Grips - The Fever (Aye Aye) - YouTube


and this song rulezz btw : )

Scarlett O'Hara 02-05-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1282622)
That's the typo you chose to highlight? That whole post was a grammatical train wreck. No offense to the poster of course.

Why not? It's the most frustrating one. This guy needs English lessons stat.

Whiskey 02-05-2013 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1282770)
Why not? It's the most frustrating one. This guy needs English lessons stat.

But this thread is about Nu Metal, not about him. Furthermore, you might be offending him by saying that.

Norg 02-06-2013 12:46 AM

im not offended i just choose not to use commas or periods simple has dat

and yes this thread is about NU metal not me


Glassjaw - Cosmopolitan Blood Loss (Video) - YouTube :hphones:

Euronomus 02-06-2013 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 1282951)
im not offended i just choose not to use commas or periods simple has dat

and yes this thread is about NU metal not me


Glassjaw - Cosmopolitan Blood Loss (Video) - YouTube :hphones:

You have a very skewed idea of what constitutes Nu Metal if you think Glassjaw and Death Grips have anything to do with Nu Metal.

Janszoon 02-06-2013 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 1282951)
im not offended i just choose not to use commas or periods simple has dat

There's no comma or period in "you're".


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