The Metallica Paradox.

ThatBlueFluffyDude · 03-24-2013, 01:53 AM

I'm a huge Metallica fan aka Metalli*** (made that up myself) and their is not one person I've talked to about metallica who agrees with me or any of the people I talked to, everyone opinion is unique, I fail to see that metal fans opinions are universal. The only similarity is that usually they all like Master of Puppets. I think you're getting mixed up between Metal fans and Young Metal Fan Memes. The Memes have to be funny, so they make a joke out of something that everyone knows. For instance: critic reviews say that St. Anger was terrible. So they make a Meme about how terrible St Anger is, even though some of the Metallica fans I know love that album.

Unknown Soldier · 03-24-2013, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

So, Metal fans are all, universally, Ditty Bops fans. Like me. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Musicfanatic

You've gotta be kidding. Here we're talking about a whole lot of Metallica fans who can't stand an album that other Metallica fans love. One bunch can't agree if it's a masterpiece or if it's garbage. That certainly isn't a universal metal agreeance, now is it? This proves the point...

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It seems like I'm writing Chinese here as everybody has missed my point. I stated that there is a general consensus between metal fans on what's good and what's not good, that doesn't mean they're going to agree on every point. As always there are exceptions to that fact like with Metallica's material for example. Whenever I've spoke to general metal fans in the UK and other countries around the world YES there is a general consensus, it's only on forums like this where people tend to have a greater passion for their music and are greater and more diverse knowledge wise that this general consensus probably doesn't hold as true and people dissect what they listen to in a greater manner than Joe Public. But as the amount of true metal fans on this forum are tiny, their opinions are hardly a general trend. But as my comment was aimed at the general masses I see no reason to retract it.

Mojo · 03-24-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Musicfanatic

Good points all around. Like I said, I understand that most old school Metallica fans hate anything that doesn't sound like their earlier albums. And I understand the need to ridicule it. But I get irritated when another person all but puts another fan down for liking something that another can't stand. And it seemed that that was what was going on.

We cannot all have the same opinions, but we can be somewhat respectful of other's...

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Originally Posted by Musicfanatic

You've gotta be kidding. Here we're talking about a whole lot of Metallica fans who can't stand an album that other Metallica fans love. One bunch can't agree if it's a masterpiece or if it's garbage. That certainly isn't a universal metal agreeance, now is it? This proves the point...

Here we go again. But now we are picking on an album that most thrashers claim to be the last really good album by my favorite band. I once told my dad to listen to ...And Justice for All. He doesn't get this kind of music, but I told him to just listen. I told him that if he listened carefully he might see the complexities in the music. But I don't think that any of the songs on the album should be any shorter. It's like the Dark Knight; I wouldn't wish either to be any shorter, they'd lose something that would just ruin it for me. But I doubt that it would ruin it for him

I was kind of asking for it with the Black Album, I guess. Teasing a metal head that I knew didn't agree with me. But don't mess with ...And Justice!

This thread is just gonna go round and round in circles, isn't it?

The Batlord · 03-25-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I almost wonder if it breaks down by country. I think everyone I've heard on here who hates AJFA is from your part of the world.

Perhaps it's a British thing. So far as I know there weren't a whole lot of thrash metal bands from the UK. They sorta skipped thrash and went straight to grindcore.

Musicfanatic · 03-26-2013, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

This thread is just gonna go round and round in circles, isn't it?

That's the way most every thread goes...

Musicfanatic · 07-03-2013, 10:37 PM

Hmm. I was just given an email link to this thread claiming there was a new post... Wonder if the post was deleted...?

Anyway. I have reread a bit of the posts here and believe that just because one person loves an album doesn't mean that another has to. I love the Black Album. I also love the ...And Justice album. And it isn't because it's a popular opinion. It's merely because I love those albums. Even the ballads like Nothing Else Matters. It's just good song writing, and that is what I like. Well, you might not all agree, and that's up to you, but it's up to me if I like it or not, and that is what I think this thread is all about; saying screw you if you don't like it! But not in a negative way... Let's hope not. Right?

And, Unknown Soldier, there are many thrash metal heads out there that think Metallica is the worst of the worst. I've read it a lot.

Unknown Soldier · 07-04-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Musicfanatic

And, Unknown Soldier, there are many thrash metal heads out there that think Metallica is the worst of the worst. I've read it a lot.

That's not surprising really, when a band leaves its roots to go onto become one of the biggest bands in the world, the knives normally come out from dedicated fans for that type of music claiming they were not that great anyway.

Personally I think Metallica were one of the very best thrash bands and I wouldn't even call myself much of a Metallica fan either.

Necromancer · 07-04-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

That's not surprising really, when a band leaves its roots to go onto become one of the biggest bands in the world, the knives normally come out from dedicated fans for that type of music claiming they were not that great anyway.

Personally I think Metallica were one of the very best thrash bands and I wouldn't even call myself much of a Metallica fan either.

I never cared for thrash period to be honest, but Metallica reached a broader audience than any of the others. There are some modern elements of thrash out there fusing with elements of progressive and classical rock that I do currently like. As soon as some of these new metal bands realize they should direct their music more mainstream, then all for the better in my opinion.

Forward To Death · 07-04-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

That's not surprising really, when a band leaves its roots to go onto become one of the biggest bands in the world, the knives normally come out from dedicated fans for that type of music claiming they were not that great anyway.

Personally I think Metallica were one of the very best thrash bands and I wouldn't even call myself much of a Metallica fan either.

They are, but they haven't been playing anything good for a while. I don't like blues rock that much, I hear it every day on the classic rock stations by bands that sound way better doing it.

I'm not going to get into this argument again, because it's always the same ****. Let Metallica do what they want, they're just trying to do something different, you heard what it sounded like when they tried to go back to a thrashier sound on Death Magnetic and it wasn't that good, etc.

Metallica is definitely a good band though.

Musicfanatic · 07-04-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

They are, but they haven't been playing anything good for a while. I don't like blues rock that much, I hear it every day on the classic rock stations by bands that sound way better doing it.

I'm not going to get into this argument again, because it's always the same ****. Let Metallica do what they want, they're just trying to do something different, you heard what it sounded like when they tried to go back to a thrashier sound on Death Magnetic and it wasn't that good, etc.

Metallica is definitely a good band though.

I agree with the last two points: 1st that the debate just doesn't go anywhere; and that they are a good band. I think that they were a pretty good band doing the bluesier stuff on the Load albums, so we have to agree to disagree. Unless you want to disagree to agree. Whichever, really.

03-24-2013, 01:53 AM	#71 (permalink)
ThatBlueFluffyDude Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 50	I'm a huge Metallica fan aka Metalli*** (made that up myself) and their is not one person I've talked to about metallica who agrees with me or any of the people I talked to, everyone opinion is unique, I fail to see that metal fans opinions are universal. The only similarity is that usually they all like Master of Puppets. I think you're getting mixed up between Metal fans and Young Metal Fan Memes. The Memes have to be funny, so they make a joke out of something that everyone knows. For instance: critic reviews say that St. Anger was terrible. So they make a Meme about how terrible St Anger is, even though some of the Metallica fans I know love that album.

07-03-2013, 10:37 PM	#76 (permalink)
Musicfanatic Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 225	Hmm. I was just given an email link to this thread claiming there was a new post... Wonder if the post was deleted...? Anyway. I have reread a bit of the posts here and believe that just because one person loves an album doesn't mean that another has to. I love the Black Album. I also love the ...And Justice album. And it isn't because it's a popular opinion. It's merely because I love those albums. Even the ballads like Nothing Else Matters. It's just good song writing, and that is what I like. Well, you might not all agree, and that's up to you, but it's up to me if I like it or not, and that is what I think this thread is all about; saying screw you if you don't like it! But not in a negative way... Let's hope not. Right? And, Unknown Soldier, there are many thrash metal heads out there that think Metallica is the worst of the worst. I've read it a lot.