I started with the hits, y'know? I think the first full Sabbath album I heard was Master of Reality. That one rocks pretty hard. And yeah, their debut is more of a blues/hard rock album, although the title track is bri(c)k heavy even by today's standards.

-just snickers to self as I once said there would be a nu-metal band that some of the anit nu-metal folk here wouldn't entirely hate...was totally right-

I'm probably less anti-nu-metal than some but that song really didn't do it for me at all.

Toxicity was a great album from them IMO. I still listen to it.

Me neither.

Do people hate on nu-metal for the same reasons that I've been hating on mainstream hiphop since the mid-2000s?

I feel like HipPop doesn't properly represent the culture and the talent/lyricism has gone downhill drastically.

I get the feeling this is similar to how nu-metal is viewed by traditional metal heads but Idk enough about the technicalities of music or metal in general to have an opinion. Nu-metal was at it's peak during my teen years and I really enjoy it if for no other reason than nostalgia.

I'm not really what you'd call a "traditional metalhead" and really could care less about representing some kind of metal culture. I don't like a lot of nu-metal because I find it extremely cheesy sounding, and not in a good way.

I actually figured you weren't partial to it. But trust me. I will find something Janz!

Am I the only one the thought Toxicity was rather mediocre and...boring?

There wasn't much or any progression within the genre during its brief moment of popularity. It was a rather stale or stunted period of music, especially for nu-metal. I still have bands from that period I listen to, like Simon Says or FLAW from time to time when I feel like nostalgia.

Anyway. Nu-Metal just seemed to refuse to grow or mature musically. A lot of those bands just wanted to make the most depressing music the possibly could, to a backdrop of heavily down tuned guitars, with whiny singers that wished they had a scream that didn't sound like they were kicked in the nuts.

Adema is an example of that. Mark Chavez was an ok singer, and I mean that as in he got by, but was nothing special and often was written off as a wannabe of his half brother Jonathan Davis of Korn fame. Simon Says put out a record called Shut Your Breath that I think showcased more growth and song writing maturity than pretty much any other nu-metal band of that period in music, save for Deftones and their White Pony album.

I'm kind of the same way. Only I'm not so against nu-metal. However, I do agree with some of your opinions on the genre.

Well the leader for Korn would vehemently disagree with you about them not changing, and Linkin Park practically has no fans anymore because they no longer play the genre.

But that's less about the genre expanding, and more about the individual bands shifting their sound to something completely different.