So a friend who was a rapper commented on SOAD
 

So he was listening to Pandora, listening to his rap music right. Then SOAD suddenly popped up and he complained how it was all fast, heavy, and the singer sounded like he was going "rawr rawr."

Oh wow, I gave a smug face and laughed inside. That stuff is way too light to warrant that kind of reaction. I wonder what would happen if he'd heard some real metal.

Show him some Suffocation.

He can't handle SOAD? Can he handle Cobain screaming his head off on "Scentless Apprentice?" If he can't handle that, you could turn him off to real metal forever by playing Suffocation lol.

Him not liking SOAD might just be case of him having good taste. He may like good metal if he's presented with it.

I prefer fake metal tbh

Don't take this the wrong way Jansz, but I think you're the only person who thinks that. SOAD is how a lot of people my age came to listen to real metal. It's not unheard of for people to discover metal in other ways, but not liking SOAD usually coincides you with you just not liking metal, particularly extreme metal.

I'm sure I'm not the only metal fan in the world who dislikes SOAD.

My comment was only talking about people my age who grew up with Chop Suey! being played 24/7 on the radio. And most of the people I know who I talk about metal with can recall listening to SOAD for at least a few years when they were a teenager. Also I'll add that many of them no longer like SOAD, but it was a gateway for them nonetheless.

A lot of SOAD's stuff is pretty obscure, I assume bands like Mudvayne and Sevendust or Atreyu and A7x (depending on how young you are) got more people into metal than SOAD.

I know they are a widely popular band and I enjoy a lot of their stuff but I always considered them to be an original act similar to mindless self indulgence. (At least in their earlier years.)

None of those bands were on guitar hero or rock band, save for Atreyu...Look, SOAD was actually really difficult to get away from. Their earlier stuff was obscure but Toxicity was certainly not. Also YouTube just came out when I was in 7th grade and that's how I first listened to B.Y.O.B. because I didn't have any money. Most of their songs had music videos, so it was easy to find and watch most of them on that site.

SOAD's first album is great. Haven't willingly listened to any others, but I know all the hits from them and don't really desire to.

Of course. Ninetales is the Tampon Pokemon after all.

I'm guessing the song was "Prison Song".

I think you're underestimating SOAD's popularity in the mid-2000s by a good deal. If you add all of their FB likes together, they're about equal to SOAD's like count. I think A7X is on about the same level, but SOAD hasn't even released an album in almost 10 years. I imagine that if they were still an active band that they'd have an even larger following.

I always classify SOAD as alternative rather than metal. I always liked them a lot more than their popular "nu metal" peers.

haha i had a rapper friend once who got freaked out by the song 'Twist' by Korn. :laughing:

he said the singer was possessed by the devil.

Probably and I'm also not sure how old LeHetfield is. I started getting into underground hiphop during that time so I don't have the best idea of what the metal scene was like. All the people I hung with were already listening to SOAD before Toxicity or didn't like them at all so I guess I just never noticed the boost in popularity.. *derp*

Sounds like those people came to their senses. I was 21 when their first album came out and I remember a girl I was seeing at the time telling me how great they were. I also remember checking them out and being surprised how much they sucked. If you and your friends got into them a decade after the fact, I'm not sure what I'm supposed make of that but it doesn't change my perception of them not being a very good band.

I'm confused by this statement. If you add whose FB likes they're equal to SOAD's? You've only mentioned one band. Or am I missing something? Something about that statement seems incomplete... :confused:

The bands I mentioned.. Atreyu, Mudvayne, Sevendust, and A7x.

That may be true. He commented it wasn't his cup of tea, but he kept it going to ride it out.
Suffocation could be jumping the gun. If I come in contact with him again, I'll play at least one song I consider real metal and see how he reacts. Whether it's good or bad I'm posting that reaction here..

Thanks for all the enthusiasm people, it's keeping the community alive. 17 posts in one day not bad..

I got into metal through Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath, not SOAD or Avenged Sevenfold. *grins smugly and feels superior*

I grew up listening to rap music and it took me a couple of years to get used to the loudness and the distortion of Rock music.

Maybe your friend doesn't like SOAD or maybe he is just not used to listening to heavy rock.

Unrelated to the topic of the thread but instead, related to what Janz and LeHetfield were discussing about gateway bands to the good metal or 'real metal' bands are...

Nu-Metal was my gateway to discovering what Metal music truly was, and stands for. I went from listening to a band like FLAW, to listening to bands like Opeth, Katatonia, Pallbearer, Windhand...bands from all flavors of Metal. I even listened to Linkin Park back in the day and thought they were just heavy as all hell. I was young, but we all learn and gradually discover better music at some point...

Oh, ok. Thanks. Just wasn't clear from the statement. Makes sense now.

What's FLAW?

Fart Like A Witch?

^Sound good to me.

Ja they're one of the better nu metal bands. Listening to it makes me all nostalgic.

Never heard of them before.

If it was early Black Sabbath, that's not actually any more metal than a SOAD album. I'm not bashing Sabbath just so you know, some of SOADs stuff just simply isn't metal or it is experimental sometimes, similar to Sabbath's debut.


Flaw is...alright. The vocalist irritates me when he sings normally, which he does a lot.

I started with the hits, y'know? I think the first full Sabbath album I heard was Master of Reality. That one rocks pretty hard. And yeah, their debut is more of a blues/hard rock album, although the title track is bri(c)k heavy even by today's standards.

-just snickers to self as I once said there would be a nu-metal band that some of the anit nu-metal folk here wouldn't entirely hate...was totally right-

I'm probably less anti-nu-metal than some but that song really didn't do it for me at all.

Toxicity was a great album from them IMO. I still listen to it.

Me neither.

Do people hate on nu-metal for the same reasons that I've been hating on mainstream hiphop since the mid-2000s?

I feel like HipPop doesn't properly represent the culture and the talent/lyricism has gone downhill drastically.

I get the feeling this is similar to how nu-metal is viewed by traditional metal heads but Idk enough about the technicalities of music or metal in general to have an opinion. Nu-metal was at it's peak during my teen years and I really enjoy it if for no other reason than nostalgia.

I'm not really what you'd call a "traditional metalhead" and really could care less about representing some kind of metal culture. I don't like a lot of nu-metal because I find it extremely cheesy sounding, and not in a good way.

I actually figured you weren't partial to it. But trust me. I will find something Janz!

Am I the only one the thought Toxicity was rather mediocre and...boring?

There wasn't much or any progression within the genre during its brief moment of popularity. It was a rather stale or stunted period of music, especially for nu-metal. I still have bands from that period I listen to, like Simon Says or FLAW from time to time when I feel like nostalgia.

Anyway. Nu-Metal just seemed to refuse to grow or mature musically. A lot of those bands just wanted to make the most depressing music the possibly could, to a backdrop of heavily down tuned guitars, with whiny singers that wished they had a scream that didn't sound like they were kicked in the nuts.

Adema is an example of that. Mark Chavez was an ok singer, and I mean that as in he got by, but was nothing special and often was written off as a wannabe of his half brother Jonathan Davis of Korn fame. Simon Says put out a record called Shut Your Breath that I think showcased more growth and song writing maturity than pretty much any other nu-metal band of that period in music, save for Deftones and their White Pony album.

I'm kind of the same way. Only I'm not so against nu-metal. However, I do agree with some of your opinions on the genre.

Well the leader for Korn would vehemently disagree with you about them not changing, and Linkin Park practically has no fans anymore because they no longer play the genre.

But that's less about the genre expanding, and more about the individual bands shifting their sound to something completely different.